More than 800,000 ineligible people get CERB

[MikePal]

They (CBC) had a lady on the News last night who was on various social assistant programs. Her friend told her about the CERB..so she called in her claim and they sent her CERB cheques for the past few months. The Provincial bean counters somehow found out and clawed back her social assistance cheques. So her rent wasn't paid and now she's been evicted and is blaming everyone (for her $2500 debt) but herself. (of course).

Now since she didn't work, under the new EI CERB program, she is not entitled and has to re apply for the Provincial social assistance programs all the while, living in her Mom's basement.

There are going to be 1,000s of these type stories due to the incompetence of a sitting Government that couldn't even give away money properly.

I sure hope that they get to stay in power for the next year and suffer the public wrath as they try to recover all our tax money.

[410001661]

They (CBC) had a lady on the News last night who was on various social assistant programs. Her friend told her about the CERB..so she called in her claim and they sent her CERB cheques for the past few months. The Provincial bean counters somehow found out and clawed back her social assistance cheques. So her rent wasn't paid and now she's been evicted and is blaming everyone (for her $2500 debt) but herself. (of course).

Now since she didn't work, under the new EI CERB program, she is not entitled and has to re apply for the Provincial social assistance programs all the while, living in her Mom's basement.

There are going to be 1,000s of these type stories due to the incompetence of a sitting Government that couldn't even give away money properly.

I sure they get to stay in power for the next year and suffer the public wrath as they try to recover all our tax money.

I saw the same piece and fortunately ignorance and greed is not an excuse for fraud.

[fishfood]

Wait until tax time next year, some again are going to be shocked .

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[410001661]

Wait until tax time next year, some again are going to be shocked .

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LOL......when people say WTF, I thought it was free money!!! It is free but you still have to pay your taxes regardless of how you earned or did not earn it.

[Deer Wrastler]

Care to take a wild guess who they'll go after to clawback those CERB funds? I can guarantee 100% it won't be the unemployed/homeless you cited.

No obviously they cant get money back from people who dont have it!

I say take it from the big companies the governments have not shut down in the first or second lockdown and keep funneling people towards. You know, the safest places to shop like Walmart, Sobeys etc. but dont dare go into those filthy covid filled small businesses that are shuttering their doors. If they could look at year to year profits for each of those companies and claw it back from them based on their annual projections in 2019 for 2020, all the record profits should have to be given back, let them keep normal profits + 10% or something and the rest should go back to the government...you know..for further mismanagement [emoji38][emoji38][emoji38]

...Better yet, get the money back from the toilet paper companies and that moron who was buying all the costco lysol wipes and profiteering on amazon for hundreds of dollars, didnt he say he made like 60k in the first week...

[MarkB]

Last night I hear on the radio that somebody opened up 400 bank accounts, and made almost 10,000 claims (I think CERB??) and defrauded the government of HUGE amounts of money ... if it was CERB ... it would need to be around 700 fake individuals to make 10,000 claims. How does a person create 700 social security numbers for non-existent people??? Was that a total system melt down?

[fishfood]

Last night I hear on the radio that somebody opened up 400 bank accounts, and made almost 10,000 claims (I think CERB??) and defrauded the government of HUGE amounts of money ... if it was CERB ... it would need to be around 700 fake individuals to make 10,000 claims. How does a person create 700 social security numbers for non-existent people??? Was that a total system melt down?

Maybe it was the family that worked with the Ontario government who are being charged with 11 million in fraud.

https://torontosun.com/news/provinci...upport-program

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[MikePal]

Another blow to the ball sack:

Unclear wording of CERB eligibility means some recipients asked to pay everything back

Self-employed Canadians were eligible for CERB as long as they made more than $5,000 in 2019 or within the 12 months before they applied. However, in recent letters sent out last week requesting repayments, the Canada Revenue Agency defines self-employed income as “net” self-employment income of at least $5,000.

Some CERB applicants interpreted self-employment income as their gross income, not net income, and say the CRA did not make this clear.

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The CRA denies changing the rules. The agency told CTVNews.ca that it considers self-employment income as the net pre-tax income — gross income minus expenses.

“This is consistent with how self-employment income is calculated when dealing with the CRA. To be clear, there has been no change to this position during the lifecycle of the CERB,” CRA spokesperson Sylvie Branch said in a statement Saturday.

For Loga, that three-letter word makes all the difference. He earned more than $10,000 gross income in 2019 from his business, which mostly involved installing satellite dishes and internet service. But once his expenses were subtracted, his net income dropped to around $2,000, well below the CERB’s $5,000 threshold.

"They changed the rules without telling anyone anything,” said Garth Loga, a self-employed contractor from Courtenay, B.C., who was forced to shutter his business of 33 years and is now selling off his truck and tools to cover his sudden $14,000 repayment.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...back-1.5218791

[MikePal]

Some of the stories rolling in are truly astonishing. This lady makes (annually) around $6K a year. We know this because she makes little over $5 gross as her net is less that $5K...

So she applied and received from the taxpayers over $18K in a Covid Emergency Benefits . Probably more than 3x what she would have made in a normal year.

Rightly so, the CRA says "Hey, give it back". Now she screaming to the press that it's unfair...

You get $18K to cover the loss of $5k during Covid lockdown and you don't think you should pay it back..some folks really think they're entitled.

Not to mention...her business is take out from her home....it's a part time job for her, no employees lost their jobs.

Everything she saw told her she would qualify for the CERB because she had more than $5,000 in self-employment income in 2019.

So she applied, receiving her first payment on April 16. Between the CERB and the Canada Recovery Benefit that replaced it, her benefits thus far in 2020 have totalled $18,500.

But on Nov. 26, MacDonald received a letter from the Canada Revenue Agency saying she never actually qualified and would have to pay all the money back — with the suggestion she do so by Dec. 31 to avoid tax penalties.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/princ...asey-1.5838395

This idiot Government gave 100,000s of taxpayers money to people with no checks and balances in place to determine that they were entitled to it. Now the CRA finally kicks in and says pay it back and everyone is screaming its unfair.

And the Village Idiot says " "government has no interest in penalising people who acted in good faith."

So you can guess where this is going !!

[JBen]

That is some of the stuff that makes my blood boil. Meanwhile that couple that run a greasy spoon in Lindsay, barely making ends meet. Helped pay for it all. Closed or facing bankruptcy.

All kinds of stories of households with household income greater than 80,90,100k including children getting 6-10k a month. Excuse me. Never heard of savings? Tightening up. Living off 1 income?

Thousands of Idle civil to fed employees. Getting full paychecks.

There are always going to be those that abuse things, those that slip through cracks.

The greater number.

And yes, why haven’t we by now slapped large temporary, make up a fancy name fees on
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