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    https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...id-19-did.html

    Parry Sound-Almaguin hunters say they feel targeted by a federal firearm ban that came into effect in May, but they don’t believe it influenced the recent hunting season.

    Bruce Hatt, a member of the Parry Sound Hunters and Anglers Association, said that the association supports safe hunting, gun handling and shooting sports.

    “The regulations that are out (now), do not do anything for safe hunting, they do not do anything for crime — they do not do anything for anybody, honestly,” said Hatt. “The guns they’re banning are as dangerous as the people that are using them.”

    On May 1, 2020, the federal government prohibited nine types of “assault-style” firearms as well as placed new restrictions on muzzle energy, which determines the damage a bullet can do, and the bore diameter, which is the calibre of gun.

    “If you’re a safe gun handler, there’s no reason those guns should be banned — there’s no justification for it,” he said.

    Asked if the new firearms ban had any effect on the recent hunting season, Hatt replied, “No, I don’t think so.”

    “Most of the guns that were banned are target rifles used for recreational shooting — the guys I hunt with use the same rifles they’ve used for the last 20 years,” he said.

    However, the pandemic did impact the hunting season, according to Hatt.

    “We have people from all over the province come to our camp. A lot of people decided not to come; a lot of us stayed in different locations, met in the morning and social distanced in the field, which was easy to do,” he explained. “But it did impact it — there was a lot people that opted out.”

    In Sundridge, the Eagle Lake Gun Club has been operating for over 60 years and has over 550 members.

    Peter Turnbull manages membership for the club and has been hunting in Almaguin for years. He said that in the Parry Sound-Muskoka region, the federal gun ban doesn’t have a big impact; however, the issue, according to Turnbull, is it doesn’t target the right group of people.

    “There’s about 2.3 million people that are lawfully licensed to have firearms — we’re not the problem,” said Turnbull. “We go through extensive training just to be able to have that privilege.”

    The firearms ban didn’t affect the hunting season in his opinion, as he said not many hunters would consider hunting with the calibre of rifles listed in the prohibition.

    “For the most part, the AR-15 are .223 calibre, which isn’t suitable for bear hunting or any big game,” he said. “But there are cases in places, especially up in the far north, where people are using stuff like that.”

    Echoing Hatt’s sentiments regarding the pandemic’s effect on the 2020 hunting season, Turnbull said there were less hunters at his camp.

    For both Hatt and Turbull, the emphasis is on the safe handling of guns.

    “We have to go through courses to get firearms, it’s very regulated, it’s very safe,” said Hatt.

    STORY BEHIND THE STORY: After seeing a release about a recent federal firearms ban, our reporter wanted to find out if hunters in the Parry Sound, Almaguin region found the firearms ban to alter the hunting season. With the pandemic entering the second wave during the hunting season, she thought it was important to find out if hunting had seen a decline.

    Sarah Cooke’s reporting is funded by the Canadian government through its Local Journalism Initiative.

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    Toronto Star.... lies and spin. As with any group you can find one or two ideologues that will by the LIbEral lies as a good idea, the LIbEral media machine will then take their comments and make it sound like they speak for all but the most radical. They lied over and over, for example there are .22 and shotguns listed on that ban and many other types, spin and misinformation. The ban is nothing but an attack on hunters, targetshooters, collectors and the honest... If a minority of law abiding hunters want a particular type of rifle what kind of b.s. is it to say they can't use it... the ideologues involved have already brought up "sniper rifles" (think any bolt action with a scope) and on it will to go... nothing but #FakeNews #WasteofMoney #FearMongering and pure #Bull****
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    Quote Originally Posted by mosquito View Post
    Toronto Star.... lies and spin. As with any group you can find one or two ideologues that will by the LIbEral lies as a good idea, the LIbEral media machine will then take their comments and make it sound like they speak for all but the most radical. They lied over and over, for example there are .22 and shotguns listed on that ban and many other types, spin and misinformation. The ban is nothing but an attack on hunters, targetshooters, collectors and the honest... If a minority of law abiding hunters want a particular type of rifle what kind of b.s. is it to say they can't use it... the ideologues involved have already brought up "sniper rifles" (think any bolt action with a scope) and on it will to go... nothing but #FakeNews #WasteofMoney #FearMongering and pure #Bull****
    Don't be too quick to judge,Mosquito. I've hunted the Almaguin Highlands around Trout Lake and Powassan for decades and been blessed with taking many Moose out of there. I know many people who have also hunted the area and I'm very familiar with members of various camps throughout the area. Bruce Hatt is right on the money with his assessment vis-a-vie firearm seizures because almost every one of them are small caliber that don't serve big game hunting well.The bigger story,though,is Covid-19 restrictions and guidelines have definitely been a huge game changer,at,least,for this season. It'll remain to be seen how the new Moose regulations AND Covid-19 will affect next season. That'll be a whole new ball of wax to deal with.
    The results of the reporter's story don't match The Star anti-gun agenda. It's not what they wanted to hear. Don't be surprised if it suddenly disappears.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trimmer21 View Post
    Don't be too quick to judge,Mosquito. I've hunted the Almaguin Highlands around Trout Lake and Powassan for decades and been blessed with taking many Moose out of there. I know many people who have also hunted the area and I'm very familiar with members of various camps throughout the area. Bruce Hatt is right on the money with his assessment vis-a-vie firearm seizures because almost every one of them are small caliber that don't serve big game hunting well.The bigger story,though,is Covid-19 restrictions and guidelines have definitely been a huge game changer,at,least,for this season. It'll remain to be seen how the new Moose regulations AND Covid-19 will affect next season. That'll be a whole new ball of wax to deal with.
    The results of the reporter's story don't match The Star anti-gun agenda. It's not what they wanted to hear. Don't be surprised if it suddenly disappears.
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    There's many 308 class cartridge AR's that work great for big game. Not all AR style rifles are 223.
    The gun ban is nothing more than attacking freedoms of law abiding Canadians.
    Mean while the shootings in the city streets continue on completely unaffected by the liberal ban.
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    ....I mean, the unspoken thing here is that they just didnt ask anyone with a gun on the list who couldnt use it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trimmer21 View Post
    Don't be too quick to judge,Mosquito. I've hunted the Almaguin Highlands around Trout Lake and Powassan for decades and been blessed with taking many Moose out of there. I know many people who have also hunted the area and I'm very familiar with members of various camps throughout the area. Bruce Hatt is right on the money with his assessment vis-a-vie firearm seizures because almost every one of them are small caliber that don't serve big game hunting well.The bigger story,though,is Covid-19 restrictions and guidelines have definitely been a huge game changer,at,least,for this season. It'll remain to be seen how the new Moose regulations AND Covid-19 will affect next season. That'll be a whole new ball of wax to deal with.
    The results of the reporter's story don't match The Star anti-gun agenda. It's not what they wanted to hear. Don't be surprised if it suddenly disappears.
    Actually you are absolutely right! I was wrong when I read through by a quick skim and saw things like “The guns they’re banning are as dangerous as the people that are using them.” and assumed they were making negative associations (as is to be expected from the Star given past performance). Given their usual disdain for firearms, their owners and truth I assumed they had found one of the hunters that thinks we should all use single shots with a minimum 29.5"+ barrels and iron sights etc. .... there aren't many of the AR/AK platforms that appeal to me from a shooting/hunting perspective but I can see some wanting them and after seeing some shows on handicapped hunters thinking they actually need them. I was watching Hickock45 today and went back and grabbed one of the few that got my attention in the AR or AK platforms ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY1O...ature=emb_logo

    After a careful read I tend to agree it will probably disappear from the Star soon though.

    I tried to book a hunt in the fall when it looked like I would have some time and found no luck and was told many were closed or restricted due to the Wuhan Pneumonia, so COVID has definitely had an impact. Also how many with the banned firearms would only own one firearm, many that would still hunt would just swear three times and go with the bolt.


    P.S. thought some might like the others I listened too.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_FgZyzFutA Sunday shoot (swede)
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_FgZyzFutA M1 Garand
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    Quote Originally Posted by canadaman30 View Post
    There's many 308 class cartridge AR's that work great for big game. Not all AR style rifles are 223.
    The gun ban is nothing more than attacking freedoms of law abiding Canadians.
    Mean while the shootings in the city streets continue on completely unaffected by the liberal ban.
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    After Canada was up staged by New Zealand’s popular gun ban on assault style firearms. The Liberals had to do something to reclaim some lost prestige. If you can’t be first, than being next is at least commendable. But was it a matter of insightful world progressiveness, or simply a matter of monkey see monkey do?

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    How about the fact that this coming turkey season I'll no longer be able to carry my Derya MK12, thanks to overnight prohibitions added to the FRT?

    More bulls**t, that's all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trimmer21 View Post
    The results of the reporter's story don't match The Star anti-gun agenda. It's not what they wanted to hear. Don't be surprised if it suddenly disappears.
    The story does somewhat fit the Star's agenda as it uses hunters to make the point that the assault rifle ban does not adversely affect hunters. It's the same reason the most gun-friendly PM in my lifetime, Stephen Harper, always referred to "farmers and duck hunters" when he talked about guns.

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