Should the coronavirus vaccine be mandatory

[Snowwalker]

In this day and age, they can't control social media, any major issues will be known quickly. Just have to watch the BBC and Al Jazeera, they are fairly neutral politically.

The BBC was telling the world that Trump lost the Election at about noon EST on the day of the election.

Now do they have a crystal ball or something? Cause I sure would like one.

[MikePal]

The BBC was telling the world that Trump lost the Election at about noon EST on the day of the election.

Turns out they were right...

[Snowwalker]

Turns out they were right...

When they made the announcement, the voting centres had only been open in Commifornia for about an hour...

Seems a bit dodgy mate.

[Deer Wrastler]

See how fast things happen when the entire worlds scientists work on one problem. To bad that they can’t do that to solve many more problems.

Like cancer...covid vaccine ready in months but they cant find a cure for cancer?

[Jakezilla]

Another article on the subject. The actual petition and supporting articles are contained in the article and it is an interesting read.

It basically says this is a big experiement and due to the inaccuracy of the PCR tests you can never know if this experimental mRNA vaccine actually works.

The petition lays out some of potential dangers that they are not taking into account or overlooking with the early approval/release of this experimental vaccine. Possible infertility in women of an unknown duration and something called Antibody Dependant Enhacement or ADE (VIII under statement of grounds) where you handle the vaccine fine but if you catch the wild virus later you get much sicker than you would have without the vaccine.

I am not a biologist or a doctor but I can read. If anyone on here can explain these concerns away please do.

I am not an anti vaxxer but I have questions.

https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/ex...nfertility-and

[MikePal]

If anyone on here can explain these concerns away please do.

I like to read too and all indications are that there are some concerns but their theoretical at this time and not alarming.

Ian Haydon, who received the highest dose of the Moderna vaccine in its first human trial, knows what that’s like. (He received 250 micrograms, but partly in response to reactions like his, the company chose to take forward a lower dose of 100 micrograms.)

Twelve hours after receiving his second injection in May, Haydon got chills as well as “headache, muscle ache, fatigue, nausea,” and had a fever of 39.6°C. He went to urgent care, and later vomited and fainted before the symptoms receded, roughly 24 hours after they started, he says.

But Haydon says his experience was “a small price to pay” for the possibility of returning to normal life. “For me, this was a rough day. But if you compare it to what COVID can do, I think it really pales in comparison.”

Longer term side effects of mRNA vaccines remain theoretical. They include the possibility that people with lupus, whose disease is driven by antibodies against their own genetic code, could experience flare-ups because of the revved up immune response induced by the vaccines, says Sarfaraz Hasni, director of lupus clinical research at the National Institute of Arthritis and Musculoskeletal and Skin Diseases.

But there’s no evidence currently that mRNA vaccines cause autoimmune disease or make it worse, says Betty Diamond, an immunologist and rheumatologist at the Feinstein Institutes for Medical Research of Northwell Health. “At the moment there’s every reason to suggest that people with autoimmune diseases ought to get either of these vaccines when they get rolled out.”

and like what was stated earlier:

Those transient reactions should not dissuade people from getting vaccinated in the face of a pandemic virus that kills at least one in 200 of those it infects, says Florian Krammer, a vaccinologist at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, who participated in Pfizer’s pivotal trial. Sore arms, fevers, and fatigue are “unpleasant but not dangerous. I’m not concerned about [reactogenicity],” he says.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...e-intense-some

[MikePal]

I think I'd be far more worried about the potential long term affects of the virus itself....taking a vaccine, even with it's potential side affects , to prevent this is a far better choice.

Organ damage caused by COVID-19
Although COVID-19 is seen as a disease that primarily affects the lungs, it can damage many other organs as well. This organ damage may increase the risk of long-term health problems. Organs that may be affected by COVID-19 include:

Heart. Imaging tests taken months after recovery from COVID-19 have shown lasting damage to the heart muscle, even in people who experienced only mild COVID-19 symptoms. This may increase the risk of heart failure or other heart complications in the future.
Lungs. The type of pneumonia often associated with COVID-19 can cause long-standing damage to the tiny air sacs (alveoli) in the lungs. The resulting scar tissue can lead to long-term breathing problems.
Brain. Even in young people, COVID-19 can cause strokes, seizures and Guillain-Barre syndrome — a condition that causes temporary paralysis. COVID-19 may also increase the risk of developing Parkinson's disease and Alzheimer's disease.
Blood clots and blood vessel problems
COVID-19 can make blood cells more likely to clump up and form clots. While large clots can cause heart attacks and strokes, much of the heart damage caused by COVID-19 is believed to stem from very small clots that block tiny blood vessels (capillaries) in the heart muscle.

Other parts of the body affected by blood clots include the lungs, legs, liver and kidneys. COVID-19 can also weaken blood vessels and cause them to leak, which contributes to potentially long-lasting problems with the liver and kidneys.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...20few%20weeks.

[line052]

I have a couple of thoughts on this issue.

First I will never take the vaccine until it effects my income, and use every legal way possible to delay for at least 14 months. No can force you.

Second - using the military to implement the early roll out - does one thing and one thing only - ensures no province is liable if it fails or causes "side affects" - liability is wiped out for provincial governments, plus the image of soldiers adds authority and legitimacy to forced vaccines. Nefarious at least - criminal at best. The ability to restrict entry/services will be become legitimate across the board for government and business - which is the point - control.

Public opinion is squarely on the side of government, and simple perusal of FB, Twitter, and News Media posting will show people are ready to refuse medical care, place people in camps, wish those people dead and want them rounded up by police.

We have lost the fight in a general consensus.

Why do we need a vaccine - when 99.9875% recover completely - why masks now - when we flattened the curve during "first wave" with hand washing/distance - why do you have to be tested to know if you have "Deadly Virus", why have since July 6th and masks have infections sky rocketed with mask wearing - why are we wearing a non medical mask - in the face of "Deadly Virus", why, why, why. Mandated masks are pseudo science to reinforce fear on the psyche, for a virus that is not killing people in the streets. Remember last Jan, welded doors, dying people in the streets, mass spraying, 50 mil under lockdown in Wuhan, those images never occurred here or in Italy - today Wuhan is back to business - almost like it was staged by CCP..

The main risk group to dying is still only those over the age 75 and with comorbidly issues - almost zero risk of dying under age of 60.

No it should not be mandatory - it should not even be developed - it is only a tool of control - it is being used to re-engineer the world..as Global warming, (scratch), Climate Change (scratch), the world is ending in 12 yrs (scratch) - didn't work and only a world wide engineered pandemic will...and people cheer the loss of freedoms and rights.

[fishfood]

Line052

Control it's what our government wants many give in. They believe they are right no matter what they do .

It's all they do is try and control the people and it's corrupt practices . It's not their job to control the people they have a job to do and they go way overboard thinking they own us . They don't want people to have their own voice they want to tell you what to do.

We need to work together as a society as the people we are . We need to think for ourselves make our own choice. It's how life works . What is life if you have no choice?

Not one person is better than the other we are all human we all have the same value of life . Many will disagree but it's the truth and people can't handle the truth.

Like many just think another dead banger is ok he was in a gang so it makes it ok . Not how that works and that banger has the same value as everyone else.
It's still a son a daughter and they have a family to . Their lives are just as important as mine or as yours or as Gilroy lol. It doesn't matter what they do they are all the same with the same value of life. The poor the homeless their lives are just as important as any other life.

Unfortunately the world has turned into a battle of money and power and greed.


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[fishermccann]

'It should not even be developed, it is only a tool of control' ? Climate change ? Global warming? Is every thing you disagree with, ( going against scientific knowledge), just to enable a NWO ? Tin foil hat time.