Should the coronavirus vaccine be mandatory

[JBen]

No comment on the veracity of this media report.

Reportted case per pop
Canada: 11,500ish
Sweden: 31,800ish

reported death per capita.
Canada: 350ish
Sweden: 750ish

If anyone had reason to spin numbers would it not be Sweden and this guy? Do note, he's not contradicting reported numbers, or griping about them. Sounds to me, like hes in damage control mode.
Sweden’s Top Epidemiologist Says Herd Immunity Is a Mystery - Bloomberg

I commented much the same way back, oneless.
Again, at this point, who knows who to believe, is it possible no one really has a handle yet? Is it possible it could be months/years before Covid is really understood? And it's long term affects?

For what it's worth, the plausiblity of a world wide "conspiracy" and effort to spin stuff.......What is it they say about the more people involved, each with their own agendas.
Does anyone really believe that one about a carbon based currency for example? Might sound plausible until you realize that would entail Mid East co-operation and control.
Yeah, because China, Russia, the US would ever all be on the same page.

[onelessarrow]

I know you try to sort things out jben, but some obviously can't. Sweden have a substantially lower death rate than us and with no social fallout from a lock down. I would swap out their numbers with ours any day of the week.

[MikePal]

I know you try to sort things out jben, but some obviously can't. Sweden have a substantially lower death rate than us and with no social fallout from a lock down. I would swap out their numbers with ours any day of the week.

One of the smartest countries; they didn't destroy their economy, the didn't destroy the businesses and they didn't sacrifice their children education for a death toll of .07% (Covid deaths 7354 of 10 million) ....less than 1% of the population. Numbers they seem to be able to live with, after all it was a pandemic, even if it was a bit overrated.

[JBen]

ok question time.
Again, not favoring either possibility.

Based on what source would we credibly say Swedens numbers are far lower. There's a reason I went straight to horses mouth and would he not be screaming from the rooftops, far louder than the Dr that's passionate about Ivermectin? Who for what's worth could be on to something, at least enough that he should be getting more $$ if nothing else to do some controlled test, but I don't personally think is going to get us, where we want and need to be.

Mike, not sure I'd say smartest. For the sake of just finding a baseline if you will.
750 per capita. Someone is going to have to dream up, or have a good reason why if it'd not around there and is in fact, much much lower. Why he isn't screaming from the rooftops. If those aren't his words why isn't he anywhere and everywhere, as angry and more than the Dr infront of the Senate comittee?. And if there was a concerted effort ( which I will grant there's a possiblity there's some kernals) would they not have put a bullet in his head?

Lets just say, officials in sweden have all his family locked up somewhere with guns to their heads ( I've never of Swedes to be that type but who knows) and the numbers are reversed with Canadas.
Acceptable?

utterly agree with the have not destroyed economy and thrown people under the bus part.
Good for them on that front

[MarkB]

I have never said it should be mandatory, I think that is should be a choice, but the using "Let God decide" is the dumbest thing out there. Let God decide but keep them on a ventilator. Let God decide but cut them out of a car wreck. Let God decide but use CPR to save them.

God does not do any saving, people with brains and training do the saving. Without education and science there would be no saving anyone, it is not God and God does not play any role in any of it.

Here we go again ... that is your opinion ... many think otherwise.

[MikePal]

You just can't make this stuff up...first they tell us we have to get a vaccine shot or we can't go to the movies...now they're going to pay us the going rate of a lab rat, to the tune of $1K , to take the vaccine....HaHa...

The idea was first floated in August when economist Robert Litan, a Brookings Institution non-resident senior fellow, wrote about an incentive to get more people to get the vaccine: pay US$1,000 a shot.

He called it the "adult" version of the doctor handing out candy to children.

But the plan could cost the American people about $275 billion. And in Canada, the cost would be around $30 billion, he said.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/newsp...rn/ar-BB1bOqA8

edit add: I say they do the freebee for the 54% who willingly want it. Then open the incentive program for those who need some reason other than being told to get it. For $1k and a movie pass, count me in... HaHa..

[impact]

You just can't make this stuff up...first they tell us we have to get a vaccine shot or we can't go to the movies...now they're going to pay us the going rate of a lab rat, to the tune of $1K , to take the vaccine....HaHa...



https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/newsp...rn/ar-BB1bOqA8

Simply effin amazing. What is in that vaccine that they are so hot and horny to roll out? Makes me want to avoid it even more.

Here is a better solution made in Canada. Open up the NHL hockey arenas again with free admission and toss a couple of beers for good measure.
After a few games I guarantee you that you will have herd immunity everywhere in Canada.
Think I'm kidding?

That is the recommendation of thousands of medical professionals worldwide.
https://gbdeclaration.org/

[canadaman30]

Believe the 98 Drs or the 2 out of 100? About anything else but the vaccine? Would you Feel the same about having your car fixed? Should I trust the best course of action , for my problem ,from those 98 mechanics or those two guys over there?

When Health Canada approves an experimental drug without any real world testing, begs the question why so many are looking for the line-up to take it asap?

[MikePal]

When Health Canada approves an experimental drug without any real world testing, begs the question why so many are looking for the line-up to take it asap?

The problem with Humanity is there will always be those who drink the kool-aid and follow a false prophet (even one wearing silly socks). Mindless drones.

clarification:

Mindless Drone
Corporate parasites. Someone who lets the Government and media make their decisions for them. They have no mind of their own.

[impact]

The problem with Humanity is there will always be those who drink the kool-aid and follow a false prophet (even one wearing silly socks). Mindless drones.

clarification:

Mike, since you opened the door and led right into it......
I was actually thinking of starting a new thread on this topic but here goes.....

Indoctrination is systematically used by intelligence agencies, militaries, education systems, religious institutions, and cults across the world (because it works).
We can thank societies’ leaders for this great invention!

COMPONENTS:
1. Recruit – cause individual to donate major amounts of time and effort to the controlling environment, often through deception
2. Isolate – restrict access to external/competing influences/ideas
3. Control Access – create dependency by controlling access to basic needs
4. Brainwash ((a) behaviour control (through rewards/punishments), (b) thought control (cause the individual to intensely doubt their own thoughts/actions, destroy their ability to make independent decisions, and uncritically accept an alternative value), (c) emotion control (create internal crisis in the individual through affection, group pressure, guilt-induction, and guilt-relief), and (d) information control (discourage, monitor, filter, or cut external communication, and replace with propaganda)
5. Institutionalize – cause individual to make a permanent commitment to remain in, depend on, and practice the changed value system.

https://www.theurbancountry.com/2005...f-society.html