Carbon Tax increases NOT put on hold

[Fox]

Back to carbon taxes, or other ways to bring about change in our lifestyles.

Promised rebates.
In theory, they are done so that big emitters pass the buck, consumers don’t get pinched.

Cost push inflation.

Sounds reasonable.
But what happens when people in cities ( big emitters, like a factory) move to public transportation.
Millions riding the TTC and avoiding the pumps. But still pocketing $1,000?

presently.
every household of Ontario (afaik) gets $300. Whether they burn Nat Gas or propane, drive a truck or EV or walk to work.

The problem is that this is a pole tax, a blanket tax and essentially another tax on rural Canadians.

The carbon tax is put on all fuel so public transit costs are going up, plus JT removed the tax incentive to use transit. Delivery of groceries has gone up as well as heating the stores and the warehouses that store the goods. This makes every single thing go up in price as businesses are not going to take a financial hit for any of this.

FYI, I just received a propane bill, the carbon tax is $17 on a $170 fill up, therefore after the HST on the carbon tax it is just a hair under $20 a month. This bill will do higher or lower depending but with equal billing it averages out to about 10 months of paying for propane. Therefore we are paying $200 in carbon tax just to heat our 1000 sq ft home. That is just home heating and hot water, with a 98% efficiency propane furnace that was recently installed. My wife and I share a vehicle to get to work, covid has kept me at home and she is on mat leave but on a normal basis the car is used 6 days a week to commute. The return trip is at minimum 40km each way, 80km per day for 480km/week or commuting so that we can keep a roof over our heads and feed our family. That works out to 35.56L per week for our small 4 cylinder car, that works out to $2.59 per week, an additional $134.68 a year for carbon tax on fuel just to pay the bills. So with just keeping the home warm and getting to work we are at $334.68. There is no consideration for the cost increases for food, extra vehicle usage, or any of the other things that have gone up due to this tax, they are screwing us and claiming to be making our lives better.

As Mike explained here, and I want to test this for the 2020 tax year, the rebate is actually only about $30. In turbo tax you have the ability to turn off the claim for carbon tax and running a simulation as to what they are actually giving back.

[MarkB]

MB I am ignoring you. You’re not worthy.Carry on.

LOL ... go on ignore REAL data from your LIBERALS ... what a joke ...

[MarkB]

Good one MP.... Any married man can relate.. It has nothing to do with his politics, I can stomach that. It's his holier than thou attitude.

It's the ... I am ignoring the data MB presented attitude ... because it proves my Liberals wrong ... and we just can't have that!
Toss you're BS holier than thou excuse out the window ... you don't know me, you have no idea ... and frankly, it's insulting that you take your
pre-conceived ideas about Christians and label everyone of us as pompous ... some of the most giving people in the world, serving to believers and non-believers alike, are Christians! You sir, are a prejudice bigot.

[MarkB]

If you haves followed the discourse between MB and I over the past few months, you would have seen , he was cordial to me and even agreed with my stance on 'teacher bashing'. We had 'like minds' on that debate, and others. He only started the personal attacks on me, after he brought religion into a thread, and I stated my distain for organized religion. That shows his priorities, and I have no time for such nonsense. Because you 'believe', does not make you a better person , than those who do not. Look it up, that is where the phrase, 'holier than thou', comes from.

Stop twisting words ... you started all this by insulting Christians ... I have a right to stand up and defend my God. Don't try and look like the good guy here ... everyone including MP saw what transpired ... go back to sleep.

Lastly, I was never bashing teachers ... so again stop twisting ... I have a problem with unions who overstep their power. The teacher's union was the subject of my discern, NOT the teachers!

[fishermccann]

See, there is the proof that you do not comprehend the posts. I said that you were on my side in the teacher debate, (and others), and everyone is aware I am pro- teacher. You were the one to bring up religion and god in a post. When you do, I am able to rebut that by saying, it's nonsense. Oh and by the way it wasn't just christiens , but all religions. Don't try the persecuted angle, it's not true. And Merry Christmas to you, it's a fine pagan festival, since BC.

[MarkB]

See, there is the proof that you do not comprehend the posts. I said that you were on my side in the teacher debate, (and others), and everyone is aware I am pro- teacher. You were the one to bring up religion and god in a post. When you do, I am able to rebut that by saying, it's nonsense. Oh and by the way it wasn't just christiens , but all religions. Don't try the persecuted angle, it's not true. And Merry Christmas to you, it's a fine pagan festival, since BC.

Were you supporting unions in the teacher debate??

You went on a Christian-insult campaign ... you made the first move, and always do ... don't twist this around fishy. And there you go once again ... insulting us on Christ-Mas ... gotta throw in that jab don't you. And here's where you a wrong about it being a pagan festival ... again you refuse to acknowledge the facts ... paganism WAS NOT global in BC ... there were those who celebrated it as the birth of Christ ... as recorded by non-Biblical sources including Roman Army logs (Dec 25) ... but you will only consider that fraction of history that is paganism ... because it suits your beliefs, so you throw every other evidence away ...

Your methods are a joke ... from my vantage point ... it looks like you clearly take pleasure in cutting others down, insulting, and trolling to get attention. So with that fishy ... say what you want ... I will treat it as the hot air that comes out of my backside after I've eaten too many onions. It stinks, but it eventually goes away ... sometimes even brings on a good laugh!

[Gilroy]

Fox,

"FYI, I just received a propane bill, the carbon tax is $17 on a $170 fill up, therefore after the HST on the carbon tax it is just a hair under $20 a month"

I just received my natural gas bill maybe you want to swap with me LOL

Customer Charge $21.48
Delivery to you $26.09
Transportation to Enbridge $10.85
Federal Carbon Tax $15.56
Gas supply charge $ 27.78
Cost adjustment $3.22

TOTAL $98.63

HST $ 12.83

TOTAL CHARGES FOR NATURAL GAS $111.46

RATE ADJUSTMENT $ $5.16
HST $0.67

Total Other Enbridge Charges $5.83


GRAND FINAL TOTAL $117.29 Gas Used 265m3 Cost $111.46

[fishfood]

Now add another 15 percent to it every year.
Then add everything else up to including internet use and streaming device's ,food .



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[smitty55]

For someone who professes a such strong desire to be able to voice your opinion (free speech and all) you seem rather intolerant of others that do the same.

You nailed it there Mike. Not tolerant of facts at all either.

I still don't get why so many of you here are feeding the trolls by responding to their inane comments. Obviously our Mod here doesn't give a damn about all the chit disturbing they do either so I will suggest again to just ignore their posts, don't feed them by responding and they will eventually crawl away leaving this forum in much better shape than it is with them hijacking every thread they possibly can.

[fishermccann]

MB..I am done with you, as you are Dunning -Kruger ing me to death.