Seems snowbirds will get vacinated before most Canadians

[greatwhite]

Well it seems some snowbirds made the right decision, they will get vaccinated before most other Canadians, long before Just Not Ready Trudeau will even get enough Vaccines for Canada


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...rida-1.5864842

Ottawa snowbirds win vaccination 'lottery'


Jim and Marie Morrisey taking advantage of sunshine state's offer to anyone 65 and over, including Canadians

Hallie Cotnam · CBC News · Posted: Jan 08, 2021 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: 4 hours ago


Ottawa Snowbirds Jim and Marie Morrisey will be vaccinated against COVID-19 at a pharmacy in Florida, where they enjoy playing golf and cycling together. (Submitted by Marie Morrisey)A couple of snowbirds from Ottawa say they feel like they've won the lottery after booking a COVID-19 vaccination at a Florida pharmacy.
Marie and Jim Morrisey spend up to six months a year at their lakeside condo in Lakewood Ranch, near Sarasota on the Gulf Coast.
When the Morriseys were still in Ottawa, they heard that Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis include Canadian snowbirds in a statewide plan to vaccinate everyone 65 and over.

• Some Canadian snowbirds in Florida are already getting the COVID-19 vaccine
• Many snowbirds flocking south despite Canadian government's plea to seniors to stay home

"It was an invitation that we were happy to accept," said 66-year-old Marie, a retired nurse. "Since we're part of the community here, it's important for us to be vaccinated as much as Floridians are."
But getting an appointment proved an enormous challenge.
"Oh my God, an appointment down here is like a lottery," Marie said. "They open up websites at a certain time ... and everybody who is over 65 ... then goes online and tries to get an appointment. So they fill up super quickly."

The Morriseys divide their time between their homes in Ottawa and Florida. (Marie Morrisey)
The Morriseys got word that a new tranche of appointments was to be offered up at midnight on Jan. 6.
"Jim kept waking up every hour, hour and a half, and checking the site. At 6 o'clock this morning, the site was open," Marie said.
And then it happened: the pandemic equivalent of the golden ticket.
"Ecstatic.The adrenaline is going crazy because I had spent the last five days on the computer being perpetually disappointed. I'd be refreshing the page every second. I had our internet speed upgraded ... last week for this purpose," said Jim Morrisey, 67, a retired chartered accountant. "I'm still shaking from the adrenaline."
They ended up with an appointment Friday at a Publix pharmacy north of Tampa Bay.
"It's about a two-hour drive for us, which is no big deal. We would have gone anywhere," said Marie, who added though the shot is free, they'd have been happy to pay.
Booked spots for friends

She said while they were on the website, the couple realized they could book additional appointments.
"We were calling our friends saying, 'We're in a site where we're able to make appointments, would you like us to make one for you?' And they said, 'Yes, absolutely!'"
In all, they booked 10 appointments including four for Canadian friends who had put off their own plans to travel south because they hadn't been vaccinated.
"We told them that we had made an appointment for them, and so because of that they will be coming down," Marie said.
In Ontario, vaccinations are being offered first to front-line health-care workers, employees and residents of long-term care homes, and their immediate supports. In Florida, distribution is based on age rather than occupation, according to the Morriseys.

"DeSantis said, 'Why do I want to give it to a 22-year-old grocery worker who is not going to get severely ill, compared to a 65-plus person who could die?' So he's chosen a different priority group," Jim said. "There are different approaches. Time will tell who had the right approach."
Even after they get their jabs, the Morriseys say they'll avoid indoor spaces, except for masked trips to the grocery store.
"Until the all-clear is given, we're not changing our behaviour one bit," Jim said.

Marie Morrisey, a retired nurse, and took many precautions on her flight to Florida. (Submitted by Marie Morrisey)
Florida, with a population of 21 million, had more than 17,000 new COVID-19 cases on Jan. 6 alone. The previous day, there were just over 7,000 new cases reported across all of Canada.
But in Florida, Jim said they can avoid close contact with others in their walk-up condo. "Our home in Ottawa is on the 31st floor of a highrise, and every time you go out you ride elevators with people. Our exposure is high there," he said.
The Morriseys are fully aware of the Canadian government's recommendation against non-essential travel, but they weighed the risks and benefits and decided to return to their winter home. Now they're getting vaccinated before most Canadians their age.
"It wasn't a choice made to flout the advice from Canada," Jim said. "We appreciate all the efforts the government is doing. We think they're doing the right thing. We just chose something which we thought would actually be better for our health."

[fishfood]

Yeah it's probably not sitting easy for the ones who stayed behind and are looking forward to getting the vaccine.

That's how it should be going here too , look after the most vulnerable first . But hey what do I know. Why does a 35 year old nurse need it ,the chance of death would be almost like winning the lottery.

They don't even know if you can still spread it after a vaccine so in theory they could still pass it on the most vulnerable.

Have said it before they will be in much better shape before Canada . .

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[werner.reiche]

Yeah it's probably not sitting easy for the ones who stayed behind and are looking forward to getting the vaccine.

That's how it should be going here too , look after the most vulnerable first . But hey what do I know. Why does a 35 year old nurse need it ,the chance of death would be almost like winning the lottery.

They don't even know if you can still spread it after a vaccine so in theory they could still pass it on the most vulnerable.

Have said it before they will be in much better shape before Canada . .

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The comment on the 35 year old nurse....

There's a strange thing that I don't understand and I'm surprised that the medical community is not raising more of a fuss about.
While younger (under 60) people tend not to get seriously ill from COVID, there have been many occurrences where front line works dealing frequently with COVID patients do contract covid and die. I can see younger medical professionals wanting/needing the vaccine first.

[fishfood]

The comment on the 35 year old nurse....

There's a strange thing that I don't understand and I'm surprised that the medical community is not raising more of a fuss about.
While younger (under 60) people tend not to get seriously ill from COVID, there have been many occurrences where front line works dealing frequently with COVID patients do contract covid and die. I can see younger medical professionals wanting/needing the vaccine first.

But if it's not proven to stop the spread ?

There is no evidence that the vaccine will stop it from spreading.


Why not do the staff and residents at the same time? They have their day and bang the entire building or long term care home is done. You know how many buildings or long term care home could of already been protected . Some protection as you need 2 shots for the full effect. Also it takes weeks to work .

Also if the staff has already been exposed witch many have been already . Would it not make more sense to ignore anyone with antibodies just for a little bit longer?
What's to point in the vaccine if you have antibodies or just recovered from the virus in past month or 2?


Until the second dose the vaccine does little in protecting the doctors , nurse or the residents. At least if they went into the places that needed it most that includes staff . What they did still spreads it into these homes. Yes people who have taken the first shot are still getting sick.

Just makes more sense no?




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[werner.reiche]

But if it's not proven to stop the spread ?

There is no evidence that the vaccine will stop it from spreading.


Why not do the staff and residents at the same time? They have their day and bang the entire building or long term care home is done. You know how many buildings or long term care home could of already been protected . Some protection as you need 2 shots for the full effect. Also it takes weeks to work .

Also if the staff has already been exposed witch many have been already . Would it not make more sense to ignore anyone with antibodies just for a little bit longer?
What's to point in the vaccine if you have antibodies or just recovered from the virus in past month or 2?


Until the second dose the vaccine does little in protecting the doctors , nurse or the residents. At least if they went into the places that needed it most that includes staff . What they did still spreads it into these homes. Yes people who have taken the first shot are still getting sick.

Just makes more sense no?




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A lot of confusing things in your last post.
Please do a little research on the vaccines.

The vaccines have been proven to stop the spread - so unless you're an antivaxer, I'm not sure why you raised that.
Moderna is 80% effective with one shot. 94+% effective with two shots. There is some question about how long the 80% will be effective with only one shot.
I think people are unhappy enough with the antibody tests that no one trusts them. This isn't just Canada/Ontario.

No what you've posted doesn't make a lot of sense.

[fishfood]

Lots of evidence that it doesn't work right away .

https://www.wbrc.com/2020/12/31/loca...r-vaccination/

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/08/healt...ess/index.html

https://www.khou.com/amp/article/new...2-c90b5b573d14



https://abc7news.com/coronavirus-vac...sitive/9188487


Why not do the most vulnerable along with the staff ?

Would that not make sense give the residence some protection as well as the staff.

You vaccine 10 staff members without the residents 1 of them can spread the virus to the entire building . A vaccine doesn't mean no covid


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[werner.reiche]

Lots of evidence that it doesn't work right away .

https://www.wbrc.com/2020/12/31/loca...r-vaccination/

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/08/healt...ess/index.html

https://www.khou.com/amp/article/new...2-c90b5b573d14



https://abc7news.com/coronavirus-vac...sitive/9188487


Why not do the most vulnerable along with the staff ?

Would that not make sense give the residence some protection as well as the staff.

You vaccine 10 staff members without the residents 1 of them can spread the virus to the entire building . A vaccine doesn't mean no covid


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The nurse contracted covid after receiving the first round of vaccine. Well FFS do you not understand statistics??? 80% effective means 1 in 5 nurses who are vaccinated and come in contact with covid will contract it. So this wasn't unexpected. Where's the news article for the other four nurses who were vaccinated and didn't contract it???

Regarding vaccinating the staff ahead of residents. Residents are supposed to remain isolated. At my inlaws LTC, they are essentially confined to their rooms during lockdown. Staff, on the other hand come in contact with *every resident*. Surely you can figure that out.

[fishfood]

The nurse contracted covid after receiving the first round of vaccine. Well FFS do you not understand statistics??? 80% effective means 1 in 5 nurses who are vaccinated and come in contact with covid will contract it. So this wasn't unexpected. Where's the news article for the other four nurses who were vaccinated and didn't contract it???

That's my point so giving to the nurse first won't save the the ones dieing every day.

It will just lead to more deaths because the most vulnerable are not protected .

That's all I was saying said in every post [emoji849]

Do the staff the same time as the ones dieing . Do the residents and the staff at the same time

Doing all the staff first won't save lives as it will still spread throughout the home .

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[Woodsman]

In the US money can buy you to the front of the line.
I prefer our Canadian system although somewhat flawed to the rich get first service.

[Badenoch]

I'm under the age cutoff but otherwise I'd be on the next plane and pony up for the vaccine. Might even be able to get the business to pay for it.