I have 6 close friends who are doctors. One is chief of surgery at a decent sized hospital. One is a pediatric surgeon. One is a trauma surgeon. One is heart surgeon. One is an ER doctor. Last is a respiratory specialist. These are some of the smartest people I know. They know medicine. Off the record they all say to get it and have all taken it already.
I believe them over any politician, media or anything I read on the internet. When offered I will get it.
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With over 80% of covid deaths coming from LTC facilities, why is our economy shutdown because of 80 ICU covid patients out of many millions of people were tapped out?
The media has done a great job of spinning it to the point of fear mongering.
Why has Health Canada approved vaccines that have not properly been tested and hold zero liability to the makers, tell us its use at own risk?
I would be more concerned about the path our governments are heading in.
No worries GW11. I am very much a "too each their own type". I was asked, why I felt the risk of side effects from vaccines were "worth it". There is definitely some risk. There's risk with Covid as well. From sever side effects to death. For me, it's a wash.
Will say, just as we may not know yet, long term effects from the vaccines, we still don't know yet, what long term effects from surviving Covid are either. We do know, they are finding permanent heart and lung damage. And not just in older people, young, extremely fit and healthy people. One risk is a known (permanent Heart and Lung), one risk unknown. And for me anyways, permanent heart/lung damage, aside from all other considerations not something to screw around with. But that's just me.
If others want to take the risk. It's your life
Remember the "Momo challenge" last year? It was the most Googled, most feared and most shared thing on the internet for about a week, and it was totally fake. The fear and panic was created by parents themselves sharing the fake news around as fast as possible on social media.Originally Posted by JBen
This is very much the same. The virus is definitely real, the worldwide reaction to it is complete nonsense fueled by whichever way the media wind blows it.
There may not may not be a "conspiracy", but I don't think it's large scale. I think a few people who knew how the world would respond made a lot of money.
People are pretty easy to fool when it comes to viruses because they generally don't understand how viruses work at all. All those "lasting covid effects" you're linking were already happening with other illnesses before we started putting covid under the most powerful microscope in the world... online instantaneous news.
This is the first time we've had a pandemic in the age of instant information. The world was ripe to be taken advantage of. I'm not saying you aren't correct JBen, you very well may be, but I so might I... keep an open mind. You seem to.
This is the only social media I partake in.
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But don't tell everyone, because they don't want people to know the truth.
Doug on the tube telling us the numbers are increasing. When we go from 51,000 tests one day to 71,000 the next, of course the number of positives are going to increase, what a moron.
From Ontario Health....
Cumulative Death count up to January 2
Ages: 19 and under... 0
Ages: 20-39 20
Ages: 40-59 183
Ages: 60-79 1,275
Ages: 80 and over 3,278
The last time I looked 96.9% of ALL deaths were in people over 60.
GW11.
Again, I'm a very "too each their own" type. I do actually credit, the merit of some things. Worded differently, think there is some truth to some things.
But on "this"
The probabilities, of sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooo ( Times a million) many medical professionals, the vast majority of whom are rational people, no different than you or I. Not politicians, not media, From all over the world, all "saying" ( for lack of better words) the same things.....There is zero chance, they are all wrong, all being hoodwinked, or all in on something. As Species up above said.....
So for most of us, do you really want to screw around with the risk, and as yet unkown side effects of "long" Covid which includes Heart and Lung damage?
"Too each their own"
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The real reason is even worse: ..these new Covid Rapid Test test machines are submitting a huge amount of 'false' positive results..apparently they trigger 'positive' even if you have just a 'common cold' ..which coincidentally, cold and flu season started about the same time we started to see the huge spike in cases. Duh...
Sorry JBen I typed that last post before seeing your previous response to me.
As for medical people and "smarts".
One of my best friends is a psychologist who makes hundreds of thousands a year. We're playing online poker tonight, he usually gets his butt kicked.
I'm close with a few others who are high profile medical people, one of the others joining the game tonight is a nephrologist, another is very high up in management our local hospital. I would classify only one of these people as "smart" beyond "book smart". The others are just as easily hoodwinked as anyone else.
People put far too much stock in titles. Some of the smartest people I know live perfectly happy lives in low profile jobs. They don't make oodles of money, but they aren't easily fooled.
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Well, these articles ask questions but do not provide answers.
They examine after the fact. How do they know for sure that the patients cardiovascular system was functioning properly prior to the covid infection?
Only a thorough examination with MRI, CT scan and / or angiography prior to the event would ascertain that damage was done due to covid.
Anything else is pure speculation.
A person can be walking around with the left anterior descending artery (LAD / widow maker) blocked at 95% and experience a cardiac event that will damage the heart.
Ask me how I know! Covid / influenza / pneumonia puts an extreme strain on a cardiovascular system. No surprise there and sometimes you may not even be aware that you have a morbidity. In fact, due to poor lifestyle and diet combined with aging I'm willing to bet that many people are walking around as a ticking health event waiting to happen.
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