Liberals fail Canadians; vaccine inoculations are pitifully slow.

[JBen]

I'm close with a few others who are high profile medical people, one of the others joining the game tonight is a nephrologist, another is very high up in management our local hospital. I would classify only one of these people as "smart" beyond "book smart". The others are just as easily hoodwinked as anyone else.

Yep, absolutely. I've taken grief for my tendency to speak plainly. At different times I've sarcastically referred to uneducated gutter rats and gang bangers constantly outwitting highly educated cops and intelligence officers. Other times have said things like " I've known many a rocket scientist that were dumb as stumps". Have worked with more than a few, One of the smartest, most highly educated people I've ever worked with and this guy that was pure genius with numbers and math. . Couldn't tie his shoe laces without help on other things. Then too, those with high intelligence often display social awkwardness, and what appears to be pure lack of any kind of intelligence in other area's. At it's simplest think rain man and those on the autistic spectrum. That's all beside the point, other than to agree book smarts, does not equate to intelligence.

On many "economic" arguments I've also often said, sit 4 economist at a table. Give them a scenario and data. You'll get 6 different answers. And that is the truth. But when they "all" say the same and similar things. You know when to pay attention.

This is one of those times
imo

[canadaman30]

The real reason is even worse: ..these new Covid Rapid Test test machines are submitting a huge amount of 'false' positive results..apparently they trigger 'positive' even if you have just a 'common cold' ..which coincidentally, cold and flu season started about the same time we started to see the huge spike in cases. Duh...

Bingo, and when the numbers don't meet their agenda the number of daily testing will increase again in order to show rising numbers of positives.

[JBen]

Impact, being professionals would they not know all that and more. Or are we to seriously question the qualifications and abilities of so many. And not just from one country?

Put it this way. How many highly qualified medical professionals from different specialties are disputing the findings. Parroting what you e said or outright screaming all their contemporaries are incompetent and the findings/concerns over long term Covid affects are dirty bath water?

zero?

[canadaman30]

Impact, being professionals would they not know all that and more. Or are we to seriously question the qualifications and abilities of so many. And not just from one country?

Put it this way. How many highly qualified medical professionals from different specialties are disputing the findings. Parroting what you e said or outright screaming all their contemporaries are incompetent and the findings/concerns over long term Covid affects are dirty bath water?

zero?

The question that continues to go unanswered and unacceptable is, why is it that since March of last year our province has not been able to provide 1 extra ICU bed for 1/3rd of Ontario hospitals.
Instead at 80 ICU covid patients we are maxed out and have to shutdown the whole province of millions.
Our governments have failed the people to levels we've never seen before, both at the federal and provincial levels of government.

[JBen]

Not much in this mad world makes sense.

I've read comments from friends on FB and even here, that they are reaching the saturation point. Bombarded daily with numbers of case counts, deaths. Which I suppose can lead to information over load, desensitization, and even "confusion", aka "who can we really trust". In part, this is where I wonder/think there's merit to other things. What is all of that stuff but "chaos", confusion and instabilty. Ripe for people take hold off to their advantage?

There's also the part of me, that is beginning to sense/think/feel/suspect, that bombardment, shell shock if you will is also about "justification". I mean think about it. When the dust settles, be it in 3 months or 9 months, given the measures, the restrictions, the financial cost to governments and people. Social cost showing now like suicides and more to come in the years to follow. It has to be "worth it" right? In for pound, in for tonnes? <<<This speaks to your point.

[impact]

Impact, being professionals would they not know all that and more. Or are we to seriously question the qualifications and abilities of so many. And not just from one country?

Put it this way. How many highly qualified medical professionals from different specialties are disputing the findings. Parroting what you e said or outright screaming all their contemporaries are incompetent and the findings/concerns over long term Covid affects are dirty bath water?

zero?

How about these guys for a start and quite a few on the list are Canadian.
The dispute is the severity of the pandemic, not the severity of the cases.
All we have been fed for a year now is fear mongering.
At the risk of repeating ourselves again a person dying from a morbidity should not be classed as dying of covid but with covid.
See the difference?

https://gbdeclaration.org/view-signatures/

Any other questions?
Side note: My specialty is diagnostic imaging and I do rub shoulders with many specialists.
Unlike others, I am not muzzled.

[JBen]

On that I agree Impact, wholeheartedly ( pardon the pun ). See my last post.

All I’m suggesting is that with respect to organ damage and “long Covid” which is worlds (word play) apart from the Covid severity/measures debates. Of which plenty of medical professionals are on both sides.

[MikePal]

Instead at 80 ICU covid patients we are maxed out and have to shutdown the whole province of millions.

Ontario has a total of 20,354 acute care beds with a potential for an additional 4,205 more acute care beds by April 30, 2020.

There are at present 400 Covid cases in ICU beds.

That represents between 1.6% (24,559 beds) and 2%. of (20,354 beds) in Ont occupied with Covid patients.

That results in massive over the top headlines of ICU overcrowding etc etc...because Covid is occupying 2% of the ICU beds in Ontario, ..seriously ???

What kind of a health care system do we have that we don't have a surge capacity of 2% !!

Deaths. another alarming rate.: 5000 deaths in a population of of 17,000,000 is only 0.03%

and 80% of them would have probably died this year without complications from Covid.

[fishfood]

Ontario has a total of 20,354 acute care beds with a potential for an additional 4,205 more acute care beds by April 30, 2020.

There are at present 2,063 Covid cases in ICU beds.

That represents between 8.5% (24,559 beds) and 10%. of (20,354 beds) in Ont occupied with Covid patients.

That makes over the top headlines of ICU overcrowding etc etc...because Covid is occupying 10% of the ICU beds in Ontario, ..seriously ???

What kind of a health care system do we have that we don't have a surge capacity of 10% !!

I heard only 400 in icu last night in all of Ontario ?


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[MikePal]

I heard only 400 in icu last night in all of Ontario ?


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Yes you right..I took the accumulated IC count by mistake...it is only 400 presently. I'll fix it.
Thanks..

Does make a good point...this Pandemic has been with us going on a year and they have only been 2,000 patients thru an ICU.