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    Defining what are corrupt knowledge leaders is the issue. All corruption begins with government funded science, education, healthcare, and laws to a lesser degree (example EMA - restriction directly contravene the CORF - however the SC has determined limits can exists for governments to impose limits, these allow, grant, give, permit the state to take your money and restrict rights). SO those are not RIGHTS as defined in the Section 2 of CORF, just simple plebs permissions to exist at whim of state - now shut up and get back into your lockdown cage.

    Back to point - anytime the state provides, owns, controls or regulates a service it is subject to cronyism and corruption from lobbyists. I will use climate change study findings as one example - if you want funding/grants to disprove a theory good luck, it won't happen - if want funding/grants to support the government initiatives - lots of it. NAFTA (now USMCA) is the supreme example of cronyism and corruption - my case in point I give in lectures - If I won 200 billion dollars tomorrow and decided to build a $5000 Car/EV and brought it to market - I could not sell that car in North American Markets. You see the lobbyists have made sure only there're brand of product has been included in USMCA and no other product can compete in the market.

    This is the fundamental issue with Capitalism - which it is not in NA - It is crony-capitalism which is the anti-thesis of free markets, now you can apply that to all government services and the regulations that keep the state in total ownership and control of goods and services. That means healthcare and education and free market competition for goods and services to be sold are not. The simplest example I can illustrate is last month a two private homes were raided and seized in Ottawa in the Indo/Pakistani community - for the crime of... selling samosa, curry, and other Indian foods off Facebook. The state didn't know or care until the local cultural community center started losing business and found them online. They offered good products at a cheaper price. Now the left will decries, oh the poison, the cleanliness, the standards, the licenses, the permits (they will whine, this is what is wrong with the system), the system profits off the license fees, hires local inspectors (taxation for fees and business taxes) and state says your ok to sell...the authority says what you put into your mouth based on their permission. I say, to heck with the state and I will judge the food provider on my wants, price and needs and word of mouth from other customers.

    The state in all cases does not care to act until a complaint is received, it only cares about compliance to pay for the privilege to play in the field.

    Healthcare - why can't we have the right to pick a private supplier (with my tax dollars) - because legally it is against the law (except QC - they do what they want - good for them for not signing the 1984 constitution) Also, if people have choice - then the concept of taxation "for the greater good" dies...it must be protected all costs, all attempts must be crushed completely to keep the state taxation and control in place to maintain the semblance of state provided only choice. It is not the unions that fear us deregulating these services and offering people choice (BTW - I would stick with OHIP as state provided- if given the choice and funds to do so). IT IS THE GOVERNMENT that fears us - as they no longer are in control of outcomes, and can no longer dangle "solutions" during elections. They can influence unions, or voters. Unions will grow stronger under a free market.

    Education is same mantra as healthcare - people have been conditioned to believe in the state will provide and most think this is all free - the state government finances on 01 April each $0.00 and they must take/steal from you and businesses first to make promises of how they can fix problems with your money. Because you are TOO STUPID to make choices for yourself - including a state service choice - That is the governments view on your critical thinking ability.

    A good analogy to teach your kids about taxation is this - Agree with child to pay them $10.00 to pick up the dog poop in backyard and place in garbage bag. Once they are done have 10 loonies on the table ready to pay them - when they reach for the $10.00 they earned by contract - quickly remove 4 loonies and say nothing - when they question why you took their money - tell them - I took because I know how better to spent that money your earned then you do. They will be mad and decry foul - amp it further and say- listen - I took your money because I know you like chips, so I will buy them for you with your money and give them to you - but I dont like chips anymore kids says..., I like nerds - then you say to bad - I say you want chips.

    If you are still reading - then the summary - in the 1970s as government started to get social they started to really push money to private sector and innovation seemed to stop in the research and development that brought us to the moon, because government started to interfere more with free markets with ownership of regulations and issuance of contracts to move the private sector. It has expanded 1000's of time since then to point of stifling free markets through regulations and controls. Nothing happens in private sector for innovations unless an RFP is issued (for the most part, NASA is good example - compared Space X)

    As a result of taxation (increased 30% since 1972 in Canada both personal and business), deeper control of private markets, with regulations, taxes, controlled markets and the blue collar work does not exist anymore - perfect example of that is NAFTA and taxation, along with higher taxes have drove those jobs offshore and killed all those jobs in manufacturing - Wynne move to $14 per hour, caused a tidal wave of relocations across the border.

    The state is always the problem and we need to bring jobs and manufacturing back to Canada who is rich in resources to do so, but it will take heavy reductions in government red tape and less taxation to achieve that workforce again. If I was elected - I would have a zero tax for corporations to locate to Canada, and encourage Provinces and Municipalities to do the same - although anti libertarian in message and meaning - it would create jobs, people can pay taxes for consumption lifestyles, and reduce that people tax rate to a flat tax of 15% - but I WILL unapologetically gut government to live within our means and pay down deficits- only then could you further reduce that 15%, but not until.

    Another point to ponder - if the left is constantly caring about the poor - why over the last 40 yrs have they not eliminated taxation for people making under 22K - because they can attack each other to score points and empower those voting blocks..they need them to be poor to vote for them. And the sheep keep sleeping.

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    I'm curious to know what is the party's game plan to confront the corrupt knowledge providers. I don't see how you can gain a foothold on truth without a plan, all but assuring your message will be distorted to weak minded.
    Mark Snow, Leader Of The, Ontario Libertarian Party

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    Unfortunately you are wrong - it because people keep thinking they are closer to libertarians, but continue to vote for the same parties - then question why nothing changes - because YOU didn't. I mean quite simply if we spilt the vote by 50%, the conservatives would have to change those policies that caused the vote split - to recapture those former conservative voters - that would result in internal policy changes and more traditional conservative conservatives. But because YOU dont change - they have no incentive to change either.

    Where has Erin O'Toole been the since elected - silence/crickets - still reading polls afraid to make a sound - what happened to Drugged (Doug) Ford - gone down the path of polls with policies...lol. For the People - LOL - more like screw the people for polls and re-electability chances. He doesn't care about conservative rights - he only cares about getting re-elected - which began day 1 of term, June 19th 2018.

    [QUOTE=greatwhite;1140991]I'm actually probably closer to Libertarian, but there is no way they would ever get elected that is the problem. QUOTE]
    Mark Snow, Leader Of The, Ontario Libertarian Party

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    line 52. 'He doesn't care about conservative rights'.......... I did not know that there were separate rights for cons.

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    Division statement - typical - no party cares about your rights, is the only truth - except ours - as we will make sure they have more power and authority over state control.
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    line 52. 'He doesn't care about conservative rights'.......... I did not know that there were separate rights for cons.
    Mark Snow, Leader Of The, Ontario Libertarian Party

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    Quote Originally Posted by line052 View Post
    Defining what are corrupt knowledge leaders is the issue. All corruption begins with government funded science, education, healthcare, and laws to a lesser degree (example EMA - restriction directly contravene the CORF - however the SC has determined limits can exists for governments to impose limits, these allow, grant, give, permit the state to take your money and restrict rights). SO those are not RIGHTS as defined in the Section 2 of CORF, just simple plebs permissions to exist at whim of state - now shut up and get back into your lockdown cage.

    Back to point - anytime the state provides, owns, controls or regulates a service it is subject to cronyism and corruption from lobbyists. I will use climate change study findings as one example - if you want funding/grants to disprove a theory good luck, it won't happen - if want funding/grants to support the government initiatives - lots of it. NAFTA (now USMCA) is the supreme example of cronyism and corruption - my case in point I give in lectures - If I won 200 billion dollars tomorrow and decided to build a $5000 Car/EV and brought it to market - I could not sell that car in North American Markets. You see the lobbyists have made sure only there're brand of product has been included in USMCA and no other product can compete in the market.

    This is the fundamental issue with Capitalism - which it is not in NA - It is crony-capitalism which is the anti-thesis of free markets, now you can apply that to all government services and the regulations that keep the state in total ownership and control of goods and services. That means healthcare and education and free market competition for goods and services to be sold are not. The simplest example I can illustrate is last month a two private homes were raided and seized in Ottawa in the Indo/Pakistani community - for the crime of... selling samosa, curry, and other Indian foods off Facebook. The state didn't know or care until the local cultural community center started losing business and found them online. They offered good products at a cheaper price. Now the left will decries, oh the poison, the cleanliness, the standards, the licenses, the permits (they will whine, this is what is wrong with the system), the system profits off the license fees, hires local inspectors (taxation for fees and business taxes) and state says your ok to sell...the authority says what you put into your mouth based on their permission. I say, to heck with the state and I will judge the food provider on my wants, price and needs and word of mouth from other customers.

    The state in all cases does not care to act until a complaint is received, it only cares about compliance to pay for the privilege to play in the field.

    Healthcare - why can't we have the right to pick a private supplier (with my tax dollars) - because legally it is against the law (except QC - they do what they want - good for them for not signing the 1984 constitution) Also, if people have choice - then the concept of taxation "for the greater good" dies...it must be protected all costs, all attempts must be crushed completely to keep the state taxation and control in place to maintain the semblance of state provided only choice. It is not the unions that fear us deregulating these services and offering people choice (BTW - I would stick with OHIP as state provided- if given the choice and funds to do so). IT IS THE GOVERNMENT that fears us - as they no longer are in control of outcomes, and can no longer dangle "solutions" during elections. They can influence unions, or voters. Unions will grow stronger under a free market.

    Education is same mantra as healthcare - people have been conditioned to believe in the state will provide and most think this is all free - the state government finances on 01 April each $0.00 and they must take/steal from you and businesses first to make promises of how they can fix problems with your money. Because you are TOO STUPID to make choices for yourself - including a state service choice - That is the governments view on your critical thinking ability.

    A good analogy to teach your kids about taxation is this - Agree with child to pay them $10.00 to pick up the dog poop in backyard and place in garbage bag. Once they are done have 10 loonies on the table ready to pay them - when they reach for the $10.00 they earned by contract - quickly remove 4 loonies and say nothing - when they question why you took their money - tell them - I took because I know how better to spent that money your earned then you do. They will be mad and decry foul - amp it further and say- listen - I took your money because I know you like chips, so I will buy them for you with your money and give them to you - but I dont like chips anymore kids says..., I like nerds - then you say to bad - I say you want chips.

    If you are still reading - then the summary - in the 1970s as government started to get social they started to really push money to private sector and innovation seemed to stop in the research and development that brought us to the moon, because government started to interfere more with free markets with ownership of regulations and issuance of contracts to move the private sector. It has expanded 1000's of time since then to point of stifling free markets through regulations and controls. Nothing happens in private sector for innovations unless an RFP is issued (for the most part, NASA is good example - compared Space X)

    As a result of taxation (increased 30% since 1972 in Canada both personal and business), deeper control of private markets, with regulations, taxes, controlled markets and the blue collar work does not exist anymore - perfect example of that is NAFTA and taxation, along with higher taxes have drove those jobs offshore and killed all those jobs in manufacturing - Wynne move to $14 per hour, caused a tidal wave of relocations across the border.

    The state is always the problem and we need to bring jobs and manufacturing back to Canada who is rich in resources to do so, but it will take heavy reductions in government red tape and less taxation to achieve that workforce again. If I was elected - I would have a zero tax for corporations to locate to Canada, and encourage Provinces and Municipalities to do the same - although anti libertarian in message and meaning - it would create jobs, people can pay taxes for consumption lifestyles, and reduce that people tax rate to a flat tax of 15% - but I WILL unapologetically gut government to live within our means and pay down deficits- only then could you further reduce that 15%, but not until.

    Another point to ponder - if the left is constantly caring about the poor - why over the last 40 yrs have they not eliminated taxation for people making under 22K - because they can attack each other to score points and empower those voting blocks..they need them to be poor to vote for them. And the sheep keep sleeping.
    This is another reason why Libertarians are unappealing. They drone on endlessly, are mind-numbingly boring and their policies are right off the deep end.

    Canadians understand this. In the last election one half of one percent of voters supported the Libertarian Party meaning you could put each and every one of them in the Scotiabank Centre and still leave half of it empty.

    Why piss your vote and time away on a party so insignificant and irrelevant that it will never get an MP elected much less form a government? Your vote deserves more than a meaningless gesture.

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    As has been said before, the Rhino party got more votes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishermccann View Post
    As has been said before, the Rhino party got more votes.
    And they have a sense of humour. They'd have a fun campaign to work on with a great E-day party. Libertarians not so much.

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    which means you didn't read it.... typical
    Quote Originally Posted by Badenoch View Post
    This is another reason why Libertarians are unappealing. They drone on endlessly, are mind-numbingly boring and their policies are right off the deep end.
    Mark Snow, Leader Of The, Ontario Libertarian Party

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    I don't try to convert your type - no sense - like telling a HABS fan to change to a Leaf fan. - I have more important time to educate those who are open to hear. you are not approachable nor open to listen. Comrade...
    Quote Originally Posted by Badenoch View Post
    And they have a sense of humour. They'd have a fun campaign to work on with a great E-day party. Libertarians not so much.
    Mark Snow, Leader Of The, Ontario Libertarian Party

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    Quote Originally Posted by line052 View Post
    Defining what are corrupt knowledge leaders is the issue. All corruption begins with government funded science, education, healthcare, and laws to a lesser degree (example EMA - restriction directly contravene the CORF - however the SC has determined limits can exists for governments to impose limits, these allow, grant, give, permit the state to take your money and restrict rights). SO those are not RIGHTS as defined in the Section 2 of CORF, just simple plebs permissions to exist at whim of state - now shut up and get back into your lockdown cage.

    Back to point - anytime the state provides, owns, controls or regulates a service it is subject to cronyism and corruption from lobbyists. I will use climate change study findings as one example - if you want funding/grants to disprove a theory good luck, it won't happen - if want funding/grants to support the government initiatives - lots of it. NAFTA (now USMCA) is the supreme example of cronyism and corruption - my case in point I give in lectures - If I won 200 billion dollars tomorrow and decided to build a $5000 Car/EV and brought it to market - I could not sell that car in North American Markets. You see the lobbyists have made sure only there're brand of product has been included in USMCA and no other product can compete in the market.

    This is the fundamental issue with Capitalism - which it is not in NA - It is crony-capitalism which is the anti-thesis of free markets, now you can apply that to all government services and the regulations that keep the state in total ownership and control of goods and services. That means healthcare and education and free market competition for goods and services to be sold are not. The simplest example I can illustrate is last month a two private homes were raided and seized in Ottawa in the Indo/Pakistani community - for the crime of... selling samosa, curry, and other Indian foods off Facebook. The state didn't know or care until the local cultural community center started losing business and found them online. They offered good products at a cheaper price. Now the left will decries, oh the poison, the cleanliness, the standards, the licenses, the permits (they will whine, this is what is wrong with the system), the system profits off the license fees, hires local inspectors (taxation for fees and business taxes) and state says your ok to sell...the authority says what you put into your mouth based on their permission. I say, to heck with the state and I will judge the food provider on my wants, price and needs and word of mouth from other customers.

    The state in all cases does not care to act until a complaint is received, it only cares about compliance to pay for the privilege to play in the field.

    Healthcare - why can't we have the right to pick a private supplier (with my tax dollars) - because legally it is against the law (except QC - they do what they want - good for them for not signing the 1984 constitution) Also, if people have choice - then the concept of taxation "for the greater good" dies...it must be protected all costs, all attempts must be crushed completely to keep the state taxation and control in place to maintain the semblance of state provided only choice. It is not the unions that fear us deregulating these services and offering people choice (BTW - I would stick with OHIP as state provided- if given the choice and funds to do so). IT IS THE GOVERNMENT that fears us - as they no longer are in control of outcomes, and can no longer dangle "solutions" during elections. They can influence unions, or voters. Unions will grow stronger under a free market.

    Education is same mantra as healthcare - people have been conditioned to believe in the state will provide and most think this is all free - the state government finances on 01 April each $0.00 and they must take/steal from you and businesses first to make promises of how they can fix problems with your money. Because you are TOO STUPID to make choices for yourself - including a state service choice - That is the governments view on your critical thinking ability.

    A good analogy to teach your kids about taxation is this - Agree with child to pay them $10.00 to pick up the dog poop in backyard and place in garbage bag. Once they are done have 10 loonies on the table ready to pay them - when they reach for the $10.00 they earned by contract - quickly remove 4 loonies and say nothing - when they question why you took their money - tell them - I took because I know how better to spent that money your earned then you do. They will be mad and decry foul - amp it further and say- listen - I took your money because I know you like chips, so I will buy them for you with your money and give them to you - but I dont like chips anymore kids says..., I like nerds - then you say to bad - I say you want chips.

    If you are still reading - then the summary - in the 1970s as government started to get social they started to really push money to private sector and innovation seemed to stop in the research and development that brought us to the moon, because government started to interfere more with free markets with ownership of regulations and issuance of contracts to move the private sector. It has expanded 1000's of time since then to point of stifling free markets through regulations and controls. Nothing happens in private sector for innovations unless an RFP is issued (for the most part, NASA is good example - compared Space X)

    As a result of taxation (increased 30% since 1972 in Canada both personal and business), deeper control of private markets, with regulations, taxes, controlled markets and the blue collar work does not exist anymore - perfect example of that is NAFTA and taxation, along with higher taxes have drove those jobs offshore and killed all those jobs in manufacturing - Wynne move to $14 per hour, caused a tidal wave of relocations across the border.

    The state is always the problem and we need to bring jobs and manufacturing back to Canada who is rich in resources to do so, but it will take heavy reductions in government red tape and less taxation to achieve that workforce again. If I was elected - I would have a zero tax for corporations to locate to Canada, and encourage Provinces and Municipalities to do the same - although anti libertarian in message and meaning - it would create jobs, people can pay taxes for consumption lifestyles, and reduce that people tax rate to a flat tax of 15% - but I WILL unapologetically gut government to live within our means and pay down deficits- only then could you further reduce that 15%, but not until.

    Another point to ponder - if the left is constantly caring about the poor - why over the last 40 yrs have they not eliminated taxation for people making under 22K - because they can attack each other to score points and empower those voting blocks..they need them to be poor to vote for them. And the sheep keep sleeping.
    Thanks for taking that time. Cheers

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