Community based policing work's very well for high crime area's, but its a long term commitment by both officers and management. I did it for 15 years, worked very well for me, not so good for the criminals.
Community based policing work's very well for high crime area's, but its a long term commitment by both officers and management. I did it for 15 years, worked very well for me, not so good for the criminals.
So that explains the rise in crime in certain hoods no doubt
good read.
http://spacing.ca/toronto/2015/07/29...ears-later-pt/
And the question that begs to be asked. Despite millions, tens of millions of dollars for Blair to play with following 2005. Despite more beat cops and more community policing, a multi million dollar, state of the art task force, as well as programs that target youth at risk ( which I support).....
Why are things worse, these years later.
Because soft on crime Left leaning politicians and others have called the shots and done little about the hood?
The numbers are all wrong over the past 40 years the Toronto Police Service has been shrinking in numbers not increasing .They are down 8% of the number of officers and are in poor shape compared to other police Services.Originally Posted by JBen
Toronto in 2018 had 167 officers serving 100,000 population and Montreal had 223 officers.
All these beat COPS hiring's were not even replacing the experienced officers leaving. One of the first things Billy Blair did when he was moved as a Staff Inspector back to 51 Division was to actually cancel the community based policing ,as he did not have the manpower.
Bad move unfortunately as you then give the territory back to the bad guys. Nobody left to identify the players.
You have to remember not just Regent Park, but Moss Park, St Jamestown, all had their own guys.
Your side stepping. Using total MTPS which would include traffic cops and more...
We are focusing directly on gangs/guns and problem areas.
Are you saying we/they haven’t thrown tons of money at it? haven’t created gangs/guns task force????you know, hundreds of heads? Haven’t poured money into facilities and more? Haven’t poured money into community policing/at risk youth programs and more? Not sure where you live because.....we have
And it’s not working...I know you’re left leaning Gilroy, and as such tend to think throwing money at problems is always the solution...
What hasn’t been done?
Ever hear of a soft on crime justice system?
Last edited by JBen; February 4th, 2021 at 07:20 PM.
I am aware that money has been thrown at the problems but that is never a solution. Gang homicides increased in high risk housing projects by and large as the number of officers was withdrawn from those projects.
Back when the officers were in those projects full time for years on end the good officers learned the identities of all the gang members, knew there they lived and knew who where baby mothers were.
If a homicide took place rear an arrest was made in very short order ,either through a quick identification by an officer or by a local informant. That no longer takes place.
The problems these day's is that your not going to get to many officers volunteering to walk in a chit infested housing project for years like the old school guys did. We were ordered in, we did our jobs and it worked.
There's handful of things Gilroy. One of which is carding. Me, I'm on the fence with that one. On one hand, black people are carded for no reason other than skin pigment. On the other there's no argument stats went south and shootings North after it was yanked.
I got nothing against this or that, but the one thing, the one thing we really haven't tried, or done is tackle our justice system. Whether that's soft minimum sentencing, plea bargaining, repeat offenders out on bail, etc, etc, etc, etc. And it's always the "left" that gets in the way of doing stuff there. To put this in perspective I'm sure we can all rhyme off crimes where you get more than a year.....And they aren't as "costly" as gun running...
To put some context on this.
Today, Saunders and others are talking about 80% of crime guns coming from the US. Just a couple years ago Blair and Saunders were lying through their teeth, saying it was 50% and strawman purchases. And they didn't back down until someone used a FoI for the stats.........
Regardless, everyone knows where the problem is. Whatever "we/they" are doing on the other side like community policing, or youth at risk, it's clearly, very clearly not enough.
So tackle it. The problem. Because no amount of community policing, or targetted youth at risk programs is going to slow or stop the flow of smuggled guns
Last edited by JBen; February 5th, 2021 at 01:40 PM.
"There's handful of things Gilroy. One of which is carding. Me, I'm on the fence with that one. On hand, black people are carded for no reason other than skin pigment. On the other there's no argument stats went south and shooting North after it was yanked.
R. Carding is a name given for what we call a "persons inquiry card " originally a MTP 172 card ,later a TPS 208 card.
So basically you would put this "contact card" in on an individual where you had stopped them for some reason, but you had not made an arrest. This actually covered the officer, gave a time date and place of the inquiry and a reason why the stop was made.
Now I can tell you one or two of my many card's actually got some bad guys off the hook, some lazy COP in another division was trying to pin a break and enter on a guy I had stopped in my division. The card saved the bad guy from arrest.
An old partner of mine was working the radar car on the Don Valley Parkway on the midnight shift, he stopped a guy speeding, the guy was a little shifty and nervous, so along with speeding ticket he filled out a 172 card. Turn's out the guy was a serial rapist who had hit that morning in the High Park area, the card made the link.
I put a card in one night on a gay guy who was lurking in the bushes in Allen Gardens, just a simple card enquiry. The guy ended up getting pinched for numerous fraud's across the City, his defense was that it could not be him he was in Los Angeles at that time, except he forgot about the Cop who stopped him and carded him.
I would card people without talking to them only to place them in a location, with their clothing at a certain time .I did this because I knew all their details, they did not know they had been carded, committed a crime that day and got arrested partly on what was on the card. Same deal they would say they were up at Jane and Finch and could not have stabbed that guy in Regent Park that night, they had no idea the card had been done on them.
So in the end carding got abused by inexperienced officers who believed they were justified in stopping folks as long as they simply completed a card. Wrong.
I got nothing against this or that, but the one thing, the one thing we really haven't tried, or done is tackle our justice system. Whether that's soft minimum sentencing, plea bargaining, repeat offenders out on bail, etc, etc, etc, etc. And it's always the "left" that gets in the way of doing stuff there.
R. That would seem a reasonable take but we have had a number of back to back majority Conservative governments that could have changed things around. Unfortunately by over reaching the S.C.C reins them back in.
To put some context on this.
Today, Saunders and others are talking about 80% of crime guns coming from the US. Just a couple years ago Blair and Saunders were lying through their teeth, saying it was 50% and strawman purchases. And they didn't back down until someone used a FoI for the stats.........
Regardless, everyone knows where the problem is. Whatever "we/they" are doing on the other side like community policing, or youth at risk, it's clearly, very clearly not enough.
So tackle it. The problem. Because no amount of community policing, or targetted youth at risk programs is going to slow or stop the flow of smuggled guns[/QUOTE]
R. Well what to do about the longest undefended border in the world. We are a trading nation with the biggest gun traders on our Southern border, how did you go about searching very ship,cargo containers,car,truck,jet,package,.....
As long as criminals with guns get slap on the wrist penalties, crime will continue to flourish in the city streets.
Doesn't matter how much policing in hotspots there is, it won't make any difference because the bangers are back to the street by the next day.
I agree with you 100% but how would our 6,000 lawyers make a living in Toronto?
They talk about the military industrial complex, everybody seems to ignore the Judicial Industrial Complex.
Law's made by lawyers, with loop holes for lawyers for the benefit of lawyers.
Even if its not criminal and you have gone through a divorce the process is criminal benefitting lawyers.
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