Where hunters should aim in discussing Bill C-21 on gun control

[Fox]

Here are a few links to what Bill C-21 will be banning

Air Pistols - under 500fps like these

https://www.cabelas.ca/product/10028...l-177cal-black
https://www.cabelas.ca/product/66277...415-air-pistol
https://www.cabelas.ca/product/12892...ack-air-pistol

Airsoft guns like this

https://www.cabelas.ca/product/11699...airsoft-pistol - orange tips will not change status

Also illegal, glad they are telling us what they can use to hunt with.

https://weatherby.com/caliber/460-wby-mag/

Shotguns - Not quite antique but percussion cap muzzle loaders made after Jan 1 1898 have been banned.

https://www.dogsanddoubles.com/tag/8-gauge/

[Fox]

As you can READ from my initial post I mentioned I had a semi auto rifle (see below). I did not mention a shotgun at all. But just so you know I also have a semi auto shotgun. The reference to "non-sporting firearms" like handguns or semi automatic rifles comes from Mikepal,s post on a definition of a FUDD where he names the guns and calls semi automatic rifles tactical rifles.

"I guess if I was in the U.S.A. I could be called that, but fortunately I am in Canada and not to worried about second amendment rights. Now I don't treat owners/users of so called "non sporting" firearm's like handguns or semiautomatic rifles with scorn or contempt as my "hunting rifle" is a semiautomatic. LOL But I must admit I have made the odd reference to weekend warriors and user's of AR 15,s......"

They are not just banning what you consider "non-sporting arms" I do not understand how you cannot see this. An 8ga shotgun made in 1898 with percussion caps has been banned, these were numerous and worth a lot of money, nobody is going to use this to kill large numbers of people.

This is not a ban on the AR-15, this is a very wide ban that is affecting many many guns that many Canadians own.

How thick are you?

[Gilroy]

Divide and concur is what our corrupt dictatorship is doing with firearms owners.

Its always great when you have one group of firearms owners not supporting each other. Hunters not supporting sport shooters claiming they are weekend warriors that should choose a different hobby is exactly how divide and concur works.

The sport shooters will laugh when your bar or semi duck guns are banned in the name of public safety. Really why would half of gun owners (sport shooters) support hunters that continue to throw them under the bus. Some people are far to blind to see the big picture

I do not think half of gun owners are sports shooters, not even close, unless you can provide some evidence.

On this forum we have 13,000 members but only about the same dozen constantly beating the drum about this ban.
Do you not feel you would have a lot more folk's voicing their opinion. Mind you if your right about half of gun owners being
sports shooters, they are probably on other forums as this is a hunting forum and they may not expect a lot of support. LOL

[Terrible_E]

I do not think half of gun owners are sports shooters, not even close, unless you can provide some evidence.

On this forum we have 13,000 members but only about the same dozen constantly beating the drum about this ban.
Do you not feel you would have a lot more folk's voicing their opinion. Mind you if your right about half of gun owners being
sports shooters, they are probably on other forums as this is a hunting forum and they may not expect a lot of support. LOL

Well we have 2.2 million PAL holders and roughly 500, 000 Rpal holders. So that gives us about a quarter of the gun owners who have pistols. Take away people who collect hand guns and add in people who do sport shooting without handguns and you probably are left with about a quarter of gun license holders using their firearms for sporting competition. These are very rough numbers but are well within what you could reasonably assume without doing any hard research.

Due to this being mainly a hunting forum you are not going to see as much engagement from sport shooters. So you have to consider bias of your source material.

We owe it to ourselves to fight draconian laws regardless of their direct influence on our lives. I don't want to live under the tyranny of the majority and I don't want anyone else to either. I happen to be a man but I will always support women's right to vote. It doesn't affect me directly because my right to vote isn't being called into question but I certainly want everyone to be able to vote so I support it because that's the country I want to live in. I don't want to hunt with spear but if you happen to be an Olympic level javelin thrower and can safely and humanely kill a bear with a spear why shouldn't you be allowed to?

[Gilroy]

Since when was this a 'Hunting' forum Gilly...it's hosted by the Ontario OUT of DOORS Community and the forum we are having this discussion in the Firearms and Ammo section.

"Ontario OUT of DOORS forum is the place for avid anglers and hunters to share stories, information, and resources online. Join the more than 12,700 registered users of the forum."

Well Michael this is from the home webpage of the Ontario Federation of HUNTERS and Anglers.

[GW11]

How many of the 13000 members post at all?

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[Gilroy]

Terrible_E " Well we have 2.2 million PAL holders and roughly 500, 000 Rpal holders. So that gives us about a quarter of the gun owners who have pistols."

Reply. No that is not correct for instance there are thousands of armed security guards who need a RPAL and never own a gun.

There are also thousands of people who took the RPAL course because it was available with a PAL course and or a hunters course and simply have no intention of ever owning a handgun.



Take away people who collect hand guns and add in people who do sport shooting without handguns and you probably are left with about a quarter of gun license holders using their firearms for sporting competition. These are very rough numbers but are well within what you could reasonably assume without doing any hard research.

Reply. So adding in my security guards and folk's who simply took the course because they could with a PAL COURSE and right away your well below the quarter of gun license owners WHO MIGHT BE ENGAGED IN SPORTING COMPETITION.

Due to this being mainly a hunting forum you are not going to see as much engagement from sport shooters. So you have to consider bias of your source material.
Reply. Well it is a hunting forum some folk's would high jack it for their own political purposes as we see.

We owe it to ourselves to fight draconian laws regardless of their direct influence on our lives. I don't want to live under the tyranny of the majority and I don't want anyone else to either.

Reply. Well unfortunately you are in a democracy and the majority rule, some folk's do not see the present government representing the majority but its seems to be how our electoral system works.

I happen to be a man but I will always support women's right to vote. It doesn't affect me directly because my right to vote isn't being called into question but I certainly want everyone to be able to vote so I support it because that's the country I want to live in.
Reply. So that bring's us back to being in a democracy, I suppose.

I don't want to hunt with spear but if you happen to be an Olympic level javelin thrower and can safely and humanely kill a bear with a spear why shouldn't you be allowed to?[/QUOTE]

Reply. I suppose the answer to that is the government representing "the voters" deems it unsporting or unethical to hunt a bear in that manner and there are more humane ways to dispatch the animal that causes less pain and suffering.

[Gilroy]

I still find it amazing that some people think these guns are something more powerful because they look military. Gilroy if I put a military stock on my gun does it get super powers?

It probably does in your mind GW.

[Gilroy]

A firearm is a tool plain and simple. I'd hunt with my AR-15 if allowed. Everyone is aware that Euegen stoner designed the AR-15 to be a lightweight modern hunting and sporting carbine. That's not the exact quote from his patent but it's close enough.

Calling people Fudds doesn't help and ignoring the problem isn't going to help either. The eventual goal of the liberal party is to completely disarm the population. It's right there in their mission statement. You may be fine but the next generation of hunters will not be if this is allowed to move forward unchecked. Many people see this as a cessation of a hobby that they don't participate in but that isn't where the buck stops. Today they want all the "black" rifles. Next they will want the "high powered military sniper rifles" gone. That's your hunting rig. That is their code word for bolt action rifle with and optic in it. The ostrich defense only works until the lions start to bite your bottom.

I find "fear mongering" a tool used by mostly Conservative/Right wing folk's to stir the base. I have all the same guns I had 40 years ago, despite back to back Liberal Governments, who as you allege are out to get all our guns.

[Badenoch]

I used an SKS last year while deer hunting. It is amazing how many Lee Enfield and Mauser rifles have been used for hunting since their creation, you know that they were created as a weapon of war right? Funny enough, the AR-15 was the first civilian gun adopted by a main military in history, so, the AR-15 started out as a sporting arm and the Lee Enfield in most gun cabinets in Canada started out as a military weapon and was used for the destruction of human life.

This is not a gun rights group but it is pretty hard to hunt with a gun when guns are banned.

Are you against target shooting? The 60lb 50 BMG rifles used for long range paper punching has never been used in a shooting in Canada.

The win 1894 was used in a terrorist shooting in Canada though, just food for thought.

Except that not all guns are banned only a few. Lots of guns still left over. You can still hunt with your SKS. It's not on the banned list.

And the terrorist that attacked Parliament Hill with a Winchester 94 took one life. He'd have killed a lot more with an AR and a high-capacity magazine.