Variants of Concern

[mosquito]

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2550-z

.... reads like a scientific paper all right, it was from July and I think I need the managers summary to get a more understanding and their premise/Abstract may be out of date already but there were some interesting points that caught my eye...

The fact SARs and other Coronavirus type viruses may have already created protection from the Wuhan Pneumonia (Covid-19) and if I understand this part right.

we tested N-, NSP7- and NSP13-peptide-reactive IFNγ responses in 37 donors who were not exposed to SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2. Donors were either sampled before July 2019 (n = 26) or were serologically negative for both SARS-CoV-2 neutralizing antibodies and SARS-CoV-2 N antibodies23 (n = 11).

Notably, we detected SARS-CoV-2-specific IFNγ responses in 19 out of 37 unexposed donors


So... IF .... big IF with my understanding relative to the depth of that paper, there SARS-CoV-2-specific interferon detections in 19 of 37 cases then POSSIBLY 50% of the population already had some prior exposure (in that family of viruses) and possibly ... possibly protection against the coronavirus strains in general including the Wuhan Pneumonia. That leaves so bloody many questions, what was the strain(s) for the 19 to create that respons, when did it happen, the efficacy of the T-cell response to the original Wuhan Pneumonia and its variants .... is a natural exposure required to produce the long term response needed, if they could identify what created the response in the 19 would they have been better served exposing people to a vaccine (or even the live virus????) .... AUGH... maybe I'll just go poor myself a whisky or Sabra.


Back from the year I was born...


Lots of papers out there for sure.
https://www.nature.com/search?q=Covid-19&journal=

[WillieBeno]

.... reads like a scientific paper all right, it was from July and I think I need the managers summary to get a more understanding and their premise/Abstract may be out of date already but there were some interesting points that caught my eye...

The fact SARs and other Coronavirus type viruses may have already created protection from the Wuhan Pneumonia (Covid-19) and if I understand this part right.

we tested N-, NSP7- and NSP13-peptide-reactive IFNγ responses in 37 donors who were not exposed to SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2. Donors were either sampled before July 2019 (n = 26) or were serologically negative for both SARS-CoV-2 neutralizing antibodies and SARS-CoV-2 N antibodies23 (n = 11).

Notably, we detected SARS-CoV-2-specific IFNγ responses in 19 out of 37 unexposed donors


So... IF .... big IF with my understanding relative to the depth of that paper, there SARS-CoV-2-specific interferon detections in 19 of 37 cases then POSSIBLY 50% of the population already had some prior exposure (in that family of viruses) and possibly ... possibly protection against the coronavirus strains in general including the Wuhan Pneumonia. That leaves so bloody many questions, what was the strain(s) for the 19 to create that respons, when did it happen, the efficacy of the T-cell response to the original Wuhan Pneumonia and its variants .... is a natural exposure required to produce the long term response needed, if they could identify what created the response in the 19 would they have been better served exposing people to a vaccine (or even the live virus????) .... AUGH... maybe I'll just go poor myself a whisky or Sabra.


Back from the year I was born...


Lots of papers out there for sure.
https://www.nature.com/search?q=Covid-19&journal=

"AUGH... maybe I'll just go poor myself a whisky or Sabra." better have both.
Hidden Gene, Overlapping Genes
https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...1110133141.htm

Human Genes identified that fight covid
https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0416145832.htm

[MarkB]

.... reads like a scientific paper all right, it was from July and I think I need the managers summary to get a more understanding and their premise/Abstract may be out of date already but there were some interesting points that caught my eye...

The fact SARs and other Coronavirus type viruses may have already created protection from the Wuhan Pneumonia (Covid-19) and if I understand this part right.

we tested N-, NSP7- and NSP13-peptide-reactive IFNγ responses in 37 donors who were not exposed to SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2. Donors were either sampled before July 2019 (n = 26) or were serologically negative for both SARS-CoV-2 neutralizing antibodies and SARS-CoV-2 N antibodies23 (n = 11).

Notably, we detected SARS-CoV-2-specific IFNγ responses in 19 out of 37 unexposed donors


So... IF .... big IF with my understanding relative to the depth of that paper, there SARS-CoV-2-specific interferon detections in 19 of 37 cases then POSSIBLY 50% of the population already had some prior exposure (in that family of viruses) and possibly ... possibly protection against the coronavirus strains in general including the Wuhan Pneumonia. That leaves so bloody many questions, what was the strain(s) for the 19 to create that respons, when did it happen, the efficacy of the T-cell response to the original Wuhan Pneumonia and its variants .... is a natural exposure required to produce the long term response needed, if they could identify what created the response in the 19 would they have been better served exposing people to a vaccine (or even the live virus????) .... AUGH... maybe I'll just go poor myself a whisky or Sabra.


Back from the year I was born...


Lots of papers out there for sure.
https://www.nature.com/search?q=Covid-19&journal=

I wouldn't doubt there was some exposure to COVID prior to the media break out in January 2020. Especially in the first few months, I think the cases in Canada were under-reported. The testing just wasn't there, and people weren't aware ... so they just thought they had a bad flu. My son (who lives with us) got a really bad flu that took 6 weeks to get rid of. We travelled back from a trip overseas in early January ... could he have caught COVID and we just didn't know it was COVID? It's possible.

[LiveBates]

I wouldn't doubt there was some exposure to COVID prior to the media break out in January 2020. Especially in the first few months, I think the cases in Canada were under-reported. The testing just wasn't there, and people weren't aware ... so they just thought they had a bad flu. My son (who lives with us) got a really bad flu that took 6 weeks to get rid of. We travelled back from a trip overseas in early January ... could he have caught COVID and we just didn't know it was COVID? It's possible.

My wife was in China beginning of January 2020 for work. She's pretty tough, and unlike me, always pushes through when sick and hardly complains. She came home, and was bed ridden for 4 days.....there wasn't any testing yet, nor was it being told out loud there was a problem. Her doctor chalked it down as a virus......that's it.

[WillieBeno]

Athletes claim to have contracted WuFlu at military games in China.
https://www.insidethegames.biz/artic...lness-covid-19

[Bushwhacker]

Variants are the biggest joke of this whole thing.

I just put a post about variants in another thread. People need to do some basic research on how viruses work, then they'll understand that variants are part of natural virus evolution and generally not scary.

Our efforts to eradicate covid from existence while much of the world is infected could create some interesting strains though.

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Very well said. I just don't get the panic..."OH NO! I'VE LOST MY SENSE OF SMELL!! AM I GOING TO DIE!!??" Uhhh, it's called being congested, s**t for brains lol. You know, like the common cold that you've gotten at least 100 times before?

[Bushwhacker]

Anyone else think about this?

We know this virus is very similar to the recent SARS virus (which was a type of corona virus). So they are, say 70% the same in terms of affects & transmission, with Covid being slightly nastier.

Of all the smart people out there....doctors who've cured diseases and transplanted animal organs into humans, scientists & engineers who have put humans in space...and we're supposed to believe they really don't know how to get a better handle on this thing? Doctors are acting like it's the most unlikely thing in the world, like it's the first time they've discovered a virus ever. They were flip-flopping on the efficacy of masks, and then they learned you couldn't get it from surfaces, and then the 'danger zone' distance kept magically changing (there's still no consensus here, btw), and on and on.

I thought everyone was so pro SCIENCE! these days? Especially the secular left, who have made it into their own weird religion.

Obviously the ball was dropped big time, no question about it. International flights were never stopped. But somehow that's still the little guy's fault. So they just push more non-scientific lockdowns & arbitrary restrictions. What a joke!

[mosquito]

My wife was in China beginning of January 2020 for work. She's pretty tough, and unlike me, always pushes through when sick and hardly complains. She came home, and was bed ridden for 4 days.....there wasn't any testing yet, nor was it being told out loud there was a problem. Her doctor chalked it down as a virus......that's it.

Well I guess almost 30 years ago now ... ugh... sound old... the first time I went to China about half way through the 3 week trip I caught something, I was bed ridden for 4 or 5 days, still felt tough on the plane back, went to the doctor here, he took one look at me and gave me a note for the week off and when I went back to work the one guy made the "I was going to tease you but, never mind you still look like crap" statement. Whatever I had the long term of it was that according to the doctor I actually pulled the muscles around the lungs from coughing (from the coughing not virus related), whenever I slouched at work after an hour or so when I got up I felt like I had been hit by a bat in the ribs and that went on for years actually. Has she had any longer term issues?

There are some nasty bugs out there and probably alot of worse viruses have come and gone and been written off as bad flu, cold etc. , it is very likely the Wuhan Pneumonia (COVID-19) came to Canada from the Wuhan military games or other travellers long before it was recognized. In January the military issued a warning to the gov't and there were organizations talking about this new Pneumonia but our idiots in charge did nothing and sent the PPE equipment to China and have done everything they could do wrong, they have done wrong.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cor...uhan-1.5528381

https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...o-the-contrary

[LiveBates]

Well I guess almost 30 years ago now ... ugh... sound old... the first time I went to China about half way through the 3 week trip I caught something, I was bed ridden for 4 or 5 days, still felt tough on the plane back, went to the doctor here, he took one look at me and gave me a note for the week off and when I went back to work the one guy made the "I was going to tease you but, never mind you still look like crap" statement. Whatever I had the long term of it was that according to the doctor I actually pulled the muscles around the lungs from coughing (from the coughing not virus related), whenever I slouched at work after an hour or so when I got up I felt like I had been hit by a bat in the ribs and that went on for years actually. Has she had any longer term issues?

There are some nasty bugs out there and probably alot of worse viruses have come and gone and been written off as bad flu, cold etc. , it is very likely the Wuhan Pneumonia (COVID-19) came to Canada from the Wuhan military games or other travellers long before it was recognized. In January the military issued a warning to the gov't and there were organizations talking about this new Pneumonia but our idiots in charge did nothing and sent the PPE equipment to China and have done everything they could do wrong, they have done wrong.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cor...uhan-1.5528381

https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...o-the-contrary

She hasn't had any longer term effects, other than going from 95lb to 115lb...lol....but that's due to my cooking over the last year. After she recovered last year, I was diagnosed with pneumonia, and I had it pretty bad. Had a hard time breathing etc...I went 3x to the hospital, but at the time, I didn't meet the requirements for testing as they didn't order enough in the beginning, and only tested if you were out of country or high fever.....all good now.....

[mosquito]

She hasn't had any longer term effects, other than going from 95lb to 115lb...lol....but that's due to my cooking over the last year. After she recovered last year, I was diagnosed with pneumonia, and I had it pretty bad. Had a hard time breathing etc...I went 3x to the hospital, but at the time, I didn't meet the requirements for testing as they didn't order enough in the beginning, and only tested if you were out of country or high fever.....all good now.....

Good, all my long term pain after that virus was due to the coughing (don't remember if doctor here said anything about pneumonia, likely was) hurting the muscles around the lungs and my being a lazy slouch at the desk at work not the virus directly. If I had a proper posture it felt better, then I would slouch and irritate the muscles again ... and repeat. and repeat and repeat... then I got back rest and other stuff for my chair at work and finally got healed up but a day I would forget I felt it.

If there is an antibody test you should see if you can get it. If that's what it was and you still have the antibodies the odds of a COVID or variant seem to be alot less, less worries. And for the other issue... youtube or https://www.allrecipes.com/ :-)