Tam warns that full vaccination does not equal immunity

[WillieBeno]

Vaccine, baseball stands full no masks. US

No vaccine, lockdown stay at home order. Canada

Only 35% of Texans are vaccinated. There's 40% vaccinated people in Ontario. Texas still has 2000 - 4000 cases a day. I think masks spread it more than they prevent it.

[WillieBeno]

Seeing as only 40% of Ontario is vaccinated and you stated 60% of admissions are people that are vaxxed than the implication is that having a vaccine actually increases your chances of contracting and getting hospitalized for COVID by 50% as compared to the un-vaccinated general public. If that were the case than countires like the US, Israel, and UK who are more vaxxed than we are should be overwhelmed and they are not.

If you believe your 60% number, that is your choice but taking anecdotal reports from whistle blowers as proof is dubious at best.

They must of got their poke of frankenjuice and figured they were invincible. After all they are calling it a vaccine which it isn't. No more dubious than your government.

[Species8472]

No more dubious than your government.

I never claimed anywhere that the government was believable or reliable. They are no more my government than they are yours. I just don't believe a number of 60% based on internet hearsay.

[WillieBeno]

Believe what you want, the hearsay was generated from a boots on the ground worker then broadcast over the internet. The percentage of vaccinated population that received 1 dose from the U.K. is over 50% as is Israel, the U.S. at 46% and Ontario at 40% the differences are somewhat negligible add to that the fact this was after the dump of Astra Zeneca with an efficacy rate of 62% on to Canada because nobody else wanted it while the other brands are at 94%. Now take into account those countries having had more cases generating a greater natural herd immunity.

I don't conform very well too tyrannical government or law so it's not mine.

[Species8472]

Believe what you want, the hearsay was generated from a boots on the ground worker then broadcast over the internet. The percentage of vaccinated population that received 1 dose from the U.K. is over 50% as is Israel, the U.S. at 46% and Ontario at 40% the differences are somewhat negligible add to that the fact those countries having more cases generating a greater natural herd immunity. I don't conform very well too tyrannical government or law so it's not mine.

One internet video by a "boots on the ground worker" is still anecdotal hearsay. A 100 similar internet videos from different sources are still anecdotal hearsay. Plenty of opposing "boots on the ground" opinions and videos that would contradict what you are saying. All anecdotal hearsay. Unless you publish the medical records i don't believe any of them. It stops becoming hearsay when someone pulls a Snowdon and actually publishes/leaks the proof.

Belief, unbelief, conformance, non-conformance are all irrelevant. You reside in Ontario than it is your government. You can hate them, disobey them, break the law, protest them etc. and at the end of the day they are still yours. The only way to change that is to move somewhere else or topple them - until than like it or not they are yours.

[WillieBeno]

One internet video by a "boots on the ground worker" is still anecdotal hearsay. A 100 similar internet videos from different sources are still anecdotal hearsay. Plenty of opposing "boots on the ground" opinions and videos that would contradict what you are saying. All anecdotal hearsay. Unless you publish the medical records i don't believe any of them.

Belief, unbelief, conformance, non-conformance are all irrelevant. You reside in Ontario than it is your government. You can hate them, disobey them, break the law, protest them etc. and at the end of the day they are still yours. The only way to change that is to move somewhere else or topple them - until than like it or not they are yours.

Sorry I was editing my post to include the efficacey rates of the different vaccines while you were posting. As stated in my original post there were two sources, each from opposite sides of the country. Like I said believe or unbelieve whatever you want. Seeing as they do not have our best interest at heart they are not my government.

[Species8472]

Sorry I was editing my post to include the efficacey rates of the different vaccines while you were posting. As stated in my original post there were two sources, each from opposite sides of the country. Like I said believe or unbelieve whatever you want. Seeing as they do not have our best interest at heart they are not my government.

Two sources, a 100 sources it is still an internet video. Any jack-arse working at any hospital with an axe to grind can string together a coherent video either for or against. Unless they go on the record with documented proof it is all anecdotal hearsay and meaningless. Until i see credible documented proof i tend not believe the narrative from either side.

Government interests are irrelevant with respect to being your/our government. It like parents that abuse their kids and don't have their kid's best interests at heart. At the end of the day those people are still the kids parents no matter what the kid wants or thinks and those people will remain the parents essentially until they die.

At the end of the day until you move or the government changes they are still yours/ours. You may not like it and somehow think otherwise but if you live in Ontario than that is your government. You break the law and get caught the government will punish you. You may not care and maybe willing to take it or even fight back but at the end of the day, short of suicide, a government agent (law enforcement or judge) will decide your fate. Regardless of what you think - you have no choice in matter - they are your government unless you move or can somehow topple them.

[canadaman30]

One thing I don't believe, is these lockdowns are for just battling covid-19.

[Moosehead]

One internet video by a "boots on the ground worker" is still anecdotal hearsay. A 100 similar internet videos from different sources are still anecdotal hearsay. Plenty of opposing "boots on the ground" opinions and videos that would contradict what you are saying. All anecdotal hearsay. Unless you publish the medical records i don't believe any of them. It stops becoming hearsay when someone pulls a Snowdon and actually publishes/leaks the proof.

Belief, unbelief, conformance, non-conformance are all irrelevant. You reside in Ontario than it is your government. You can hate them, disobey them, break the law, protest them etc. and at the end of the day they are still yours. The only way to change that is to move somewhere else or topple them - until than like it or not they are yours.

This is well put. But I do have to fire off a huge "like" to the Weird Al Yankovich video as well.

[MarkB]

So, when we are 70% vaccinated, all the lock downs stop right?