Moderna ingredient list

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Jeez, another Greta Thunberg in the making. Seems parents are starting them out younger every day.

Big difference in a girl committing a crime and girl trying to stop one.

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I presented facts, now people are free to chose their own poison.
That is the beauty of free speech and democracy.
Amazing how many are guided by MSM and don't care to read a label.
Companies with profits in mind don't necessarily have your best interest at heart.

[canadaman30]

. The Covid risk, far out weigh the vaccine risk.

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According to ?

[JBen]

Statistics?
Want to dispute them? That’s your right, bear in mind, anything presented can just as easily be discounted....


Or what you can see with your own eyes? Do you see countless people ending up in hospitals with complications? Hundreds of LTC residents ( most or all of whom have received a shot) dropping like flies? The army being called in to help because people are getting vaccinated ( 45% of the population now)

i know people that have gotten very ill from Covid, a couple long Covids, including a heathy 30 something. I know dozens that have been vaxxed, including PSWs, nurses, that are family and friends. A couple doctors too that are personal friends. Don’t know 1 person, that’s had anything more than a sore arm, and nothing that a Tylenol didn’t cure

[werner.reiche]

Excluding the sky is falling part.

Exactly.

The world has gone verifiably mad. Seems like all common sense and perspective collectively flushed.

I recall a couple threads from the fall, weighing the risk Risk. Period, full stop. That’s all it is.

There’s risk with vaccines (most meds), there’s risk with Covid. Pick your poison.

Virtually everyone here loves smoking meat. Won’t blink an eye. Will happily inject carcinogens into themselves. Spend hours researching AZ or Covid stats. Won’t spend 20 seconds on carcinogens. Or sugar....bet half the people here live on Sugar diets. Whether pop, junk food, or Tim’s.

Then, as now. Depending on ones age. The Covid risk, far out weigh the vaccine risk.

and by all means, keep mowing down on smoked meat.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7447916/

Good points JBen.

I have a few close friends who are anti-mask, anti-lockdown, anti-vaccine, anti-vaccine-passport.
And they don't see any of this as being contradictory.

When I hear someone who regularly texts and uses their cell phone while driving complaining about vaccine risks - well something's not right.

There's a pretty good history of vaccines being beneficial - smallpox, polio to name a couple.
That there is an anti-vaxxer mind set today is a bit strange. Sort of like the liberals trying to turn back the clock on fossil fuel use.

[Jakezilla]

Good points JBen.

I have a few close friends who are anti-mask, anti-lockdown, anti-vaccine, anti-vaccine-passport.
And they don't see any of this as being contradictory.

When I hear someone who regularly texts and uses their cell phone while driving complaining about vaccine risks - well something's not right.

There's a pretty good history of vaccines being beneficial - smallpox, polio to name a couple.
That there is an anti-vaxxer mind set today is a bit strange. Sort of like the liberals trying to turn back the clock on fossil fuel use.

A lot of the Anit-vaxx mid set you see today isn't anti-vaxx it's anti-experiment. They called the MRNA technology "vaccines" from the beginning to lull people into a false sense of safety. The COVID vaccines are not the traditional time tested vaccines that everyone thinks of when they hear the word vaccine.

[JBen]

Big difference between anti vax and feeling the risk associated with Covid vaccines as being “unacceptable” due to lack of research and vetting.

Those risk can be called, risk of unknown vs risk of known ( long Covid, permanent heart and or lung damage).

Pick your poison. Though it’s fair to “argue”. While the Covid risk are extremely small to young healthy people. Damaged heart/lungs later in life significantly tip the scales.
Recovered and Fine today, gone tomorrow

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Why do people ignore the therapeutic drugs available to combat covid?
Is it because MSM and big Pharma flatly refuse to even acknowledge they exist?

Vaccines are there to protect you and you only in order to minimize the effects and severity of the virus.
Fully vaccinated individuals are still subject to being asymptomatic carriers hence the lockdowns.
So, whats the point of the vicious circle we are in?

[werner.reiche]

Why do people ignore the therapeutic drugs available to combat covid?
Is it because MSM and big Pharma flatly refuse to even acknowledge they exist?

Vaccines are there to protect you and you only in order to minimize the effects and severity of the virus.
Fully vaccinated individuals are still subject to being asymptomatic carriers hence the lockdowns.
So, whats the point of the vicious circle we are in?

Lots of conflicting info out there - part of the problem. But I thought asymptomatic carriers were very poor spreaders.

We can see the effectiveness of the vaccines around the world.
In Canada here, we might think it coincides with the end of flu season - but we'll know for sure in October.
But in the US, UK and Europe, we saw the vaccines having a positive effect *during* the flu season.

As far as it being "experimental" - well, so was the polio vaccine.
Given two choices - using it as is or waiting for three years of trials and validation - which do yo think would cost more lives.
I don't follow the logic of considering 1 person dying from a vaccine being a disaster, yet 5 million dying from a disease as being okay.

I think the one regret people should have is that the vaccine rollout didn't begin last July when the first vaccine finished its second trial.
That vaccine was what was rolled out starting in December. We lost six months of time as government, bureaucrats and industry tried to figure out what to do next - rollout or the normal FDA approval process.
In hindsight, immediate rollout would have saved tens of thousands of lives.

Like you, I am also puzzled by the limited use of therapeutics to combat covid.
Doctors seem to be stuck with just giving oxygen and treating symptoms as they occur.

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Perhaps there is a reason why only one dose is available for the mRNA vaccines?

Contraindications to mRNA COVID-19 vaccination

Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines

Contraindications to either of the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines:

Severe allergic reaction (e.g., anaphylaxis) after a previous dose of an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine or to any of its components

Immediate allergic reaction of any severity to a previous dose of an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine or any of its components (including polyethylene glycol [PEG])*

Immediate allergic reaction of any severity to polysorbate (due to potential cross-reactive hypersensitivity with the vaccine ingredient PEG)*

Persons with an immediate allergic reaction to the first dose of an mRNA vaccine should not receive additional doses of either of the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines.

* These persons should not receive mRNA COVID-19 vaccination at this time unless they have been evaluated by an allergist-immunologist and it is determined that the person can safely receive the vaccine (e.g. under observation, in a setting with advanced medical care available).

https://www.dsh.ca.gov/COVID-19/docs...recautions.pdf