COVID-19 is drastically reduced

[JBen]

If there’s some good to come of this. Maybe 3-5 years down the road, it’s that there is a sort of reset. But one driven by soceity not political groups. One where people are treated a little more “equally”, and one where MSM and journalism is less sensationalism (fear mongering) because that’s what sells to the respective bases ( both vote and readership)….The dog wags the tail, not vice versa.

If I had to bet my house today. There will be yearly boosters, or like flu shots, made and delivered to deal with the different strains.

With respect to younger people. Makes sense regardless of strains. If the majority of those 45+ Which in Canada is more than 50% of the population. We are an aging population ( birth/death ratios)…

Well, what’s the big deal…
As long as those that might flood ICUs/Hospitals and “the curve is flattened”…

Or have they forgotten that.

[FishHog]

Sure....sounds great....please list off the news I "Should" be listening too.....I will add it to the all the others I don't listen to. You have to realize, from what I've seen over the last year and a half, I don't believe any of them. I look into reports when I need to once every few weeks, but other than that, I'm usually fishing or boating. As far as I'm concerned....all media lost they're standards long ago.......and in an odd way, I kinda' feel bad for those that dedicate majority of the time believing what the hear on mainstream......

Your initial post said "Well that's odd......that's not what the media is saying......actually.....the media has been quiet on this......weird...... Almost like it doesn't fit the narrative......."
I replied that the news is in fact covering it and you reply with the above???

Not sure what part of your initial post I miss understood, but clearly I missed something based on your reply as it makes no sense based on what I quoted.

If you don't listen to the media then why in the world would you post about what the media isn't covering ?

[canadaman30]

100,000 fans at indy, 17,000 ufc, no masks are we awake yet....

[MikePal]

100,000 fans at indy, 17,000 ufc, no masks are we awake yet....

Good old Canada...last one out of the gate in dealing with an emerging Pandemic and now floundering trying to find the finish line.

Must be poor leadership

[fishfood]

100,000 fans at indy, 17,000 ufc, no masks are we awake yet....

They have more vaccines in arms lol.

Jk [emoji13] we have the same or more as they did when they opened lol. But we are closed and can't open yet as it is to risky lol.





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[fishfood]

Covid Vaccine serious side effects happened to hundreds it says in the report. If its happened to hundreds of people covid has only killed hundreds of people under the age of 50. Is it worth the unknowns.

Government will only pay out of its caused life long or permanent damage. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/fri...tion-1.6052222

Was with an old pall today he said he knows of a person who is paralyzed from the shot. His parents just came back from Mexico without any shots. He said people at work only got it to travel he will not get the vaccine either LoL.

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[Bushwhacker]

Well that isn't actually true. They had 14,000 cases on June 16th, but that is drastically down from the peak of their 3rd wave, which they had before we did. And they were significantly more vaccinated than Canada when their 3rd wave started to reduce. Whether you believe in the vaccine or not, there actually is a relationship between US covid case decline and vaccine's administered, as we are now seeing in Canada.

Perhaps that isn't the reason as some believe, but they do correspond despite your claim that they don't. Perhaps just a fluke, but the relationship is there, so claiming its not isn't helping your claims.

Add on top of that the seasonal decline in these types of things, which being more southern they have earlier than Canada in a general sense, it seems pretty logical to me that they saw a decline before we did.

I get it that you don't believe in the entire thing, and that's cool, I'm not trying to change your mind, but to claim they manipulate data to match their agenda, then use false claims to support your agenda seems a bit hypocritical.

Do you honestly doubt the msm's ability/desire to manipulate information? That is an incredibly naive position...

There have been many false positives recorded. Many of the covid 'deaths' were people dying with covid, not of covid. They never mention the comorbidities. There are billions on the line and Johnson & Johnson has been in some legal hot water over their baby powder causing cancer. Moderna was in a lot of trouble before the covid vaccines came out. Many stand to benefit from selling & promoting the vaccines. Almost every major media outlet in the US shared at least 1 board member with at least 1 pharmaceutical company. Drug companies spent 5 billion a year advertising with these media outlets.

100's of doctors & medical professionals who dared question the narrative have been banned. Cases of vaccine-related deaths/complications have been downplayed. Why all is this if there is no agenda?

I still haven't heard 1 common sense public health message or commercial reminding people about the importance of healthy lifestyle & building their immune system naturally. The effectiveness of vitamins & zinc, etc. Instead it's just people endlessly obsessing over case counts alone. Gyms closed, parks closed, kids sports cancelled. Father ticketed in Oakville last year for taking his young boys outside to rollerblade. It's absurd.

I'm not saying that the vaccines are completely ineffective. They very well could be. I am saying there is no evidence to support the theory that they are responsible for many places being completely open. We are still the most locked-down despite many people being vaccinated here.

I also never claimed to disbelieve the entire thing. I believe the virus exists. I am simply questioning the severity of a virus with a 99% survival rate, the hypocrisy, as well as the embarrassing & tyrannical response from our leaders. We should all be questioning these things & standing up for our freedoms.

[Bushwhacker]

Based on what factual, empirical data can you claim it’s not because of vaccines…

Fairy dust?

I don’t get it.
Despite virtually the entire world, read that again. The entire worldseeing drastic fall offs (now and during winter months) after starting to vax the population….Just because some few believe otherwise, doesn’t make it so….and it would go a long way, a long long way, if people could just a few countries, that aren’t showing/experiencing the same. Or even just 2 or 3 countries like Sweden. Who, didn’t/aren’t and can show better.
they don’t exist..

it’s like “arguing” the world is flat, but I got nothing. Or climate change, when the vast vast vast majority of experts….Say it real ( man made vs natural a separate debate).

Quasi related.
NYC is almost back to “normal”. Office towers on Wall Street about to reopen thanks to close to 70% being vaccinated.

No doubt, the evil, far right, captilist CEOs are in on all the fake news, falsifying data, gullible sheep too.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/16/inves...ice/index.html

Based on what evidence can you claim it is? The onus would be on you to prove the efficacy of the vaccines in relation to reopening. And to prove the reporting on cases is accurate and non-falsifiable. Factual & empirical are two different things.

What if there are additional variants? Do we stay locked down forever? The trouble here is that we have been conditioned to view our freedom as selfish & just submit to the so-called 'experts', regardless of their dubious interests & tenuous connection to reality.

[JBen]

1) where could we look for an example or illustration that would strongly suggest ( not prove) that vaccines are mainly responsible or only partly responsible.

I personally don’t know if that place exist. Because the world isn’t a lab, where all variables, and anomalies can be controlled or accounted for ( as with moving averages which are good for smoothing something out, but only do so much.

Climate
The Southern Hemisphere is entering their winter. If no vaccines we should see spikes soon, if not by now. Brazil’s typical flu season is about 1,000 deaths, (could be off it’s been a long time since I looked). Their Covid fatalities are extreme, way more and that despite widespread use of ivermectin.

Sweden?
They tried the no SD approach and got punished, but can we look there? Not really, no SD…

US states with climates similar to ours? They are way ahead of us where it would matter. Two doses

S. Africa?
Ok, how’s Israel doing?
India? Holy hades that place is hot..most of the year….getting crushed.But also densely populated and many places impoverished ( we know it hits the disadvantage hard, they generally don’t eat well…….

Co-morbities
“Fair enough”
But why is it, when we argue it’s no different than the flu. We aren’t discounting a lot of flu deaths. What the flu kills young healthy people…….”just saying”. Or do we just accept that the flu killed them.

MSM/profits/people taking advantage of this or that.

Lol, when has that never been the case….and for that matter how many of us, wouldn’t jump at a chance to make bazillions, or 100k.
We’re many people not jumping all over the game stop short squeeze……

The only, only way to really know, are antigen test..good luck with that. Most people will see that as more stripping of freedoms and proof of some other conspiracy.

All that said.
Despite 1,000 variables and anomoloies ( maybe some country had an unseasonably warm/cold fall winter)…

There are very few, if any places, not seeing serious drop offs, whether June is the start of summer, or winter, whether strict or loose with lockdowns, etc.

[Bushwhacker]

Re the flu -- that's a good question.

I would say that in the absence of any overt & desperate politicization, we should assume statistics are accurate. But with so many smoking guns piling up and people explicitly stating that the tests aren't accurate, it becomes suspect. The shifting goal posts and lack of consensus. The back-pedalling & flip flopping.

The 'fake news' has been brilliantly exposed during the past few years thanks to the Trump administration. It was never like that before, and people are waking up to that. People always knew reporters spun stories to a certain degree to make them more palatable or exciting, but there was such a thing as journalistic integrity & commitment to the truth once upon a time. We now live in a completely simulated 'post-truth' era, where ​whoever shouts the loudest is right. It's unfortunate, because it has become increasingly more difficult to find the truth.
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The flu does not often kill healthy, young people. It DISPROPORTIONALLY (there's that word liberals don't seem to understand) affects older people with underlying health conditions...Furthermore, The flu hasn't been politicized like Covid. It's maybe 30-40% in terms of who gets the flu shot, and it's completely optional...with no warnings about not being able to travel, etc. It's also suggested for more elderly people. Not kids like they are doing with this one, without parents consent. But hey, at least they get free ice cream!

Life has risks. There is a very small % you can die from a bad cold, but many don't. There is small % you will get hit by a drunk driver while you are walking the dog down your street. But most people don't. You don't ban dog walking for 15 months because of this. 300 new cases in a province of 14.6 million is negligible by any metric, and of those cases many are false positives and very very few will see serious complications or death. Time to open up.