Private company buys 67,000 acres and puts 70 hunt camps on notice

[Ted]

"Landescapes" Ben Samaan has bought old Domtar property and is renegotiating leases. If you can't come to an agreement the camp has to remove or pay to have removed all buildings. Some camps have been there for 35+ years.

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[trimmer21]

Well,that's progress,isn't it? A new owner with a new broom sweeps clean. At 67K acres,it'll be interesting to see what they do with it. Where is this old Domtar property? What is Landescape and who is Ben Samaan?

[Species8472]

If it's private property and has been since before the camps were set up where's the problem. Just a land owner exercising his/her legal rights. Sure it sucks for those that are going to lose their leases but that is always a risk with leasing - nothing new. Pros and cons to leasing vs owning - this is one of the cons where leasing is concerned.

[canadaman30]

Thinking this might be land somewhere north east of Madoc. If so lots of old established camps in the area.

[js4fn]

What price per acres would that have went for

[trimmer21]

Thinking this might be land somewhere north east of Madoc. If so lots of old established camps in the area.

I think IIRC, Gilroy either had or has a camp up there. I wonder if he was given a notice?

[Bushmoose]

If it's private property and has been since before the camps were set up where's the problem. Just a land owner exercising his/her legal rights. Sure it sucks for those that are going to lose their leases but that is always a risk with leasing - nothing new. Pros and cons to leasing vs owning - this is one of the cons where leasing is concerned.

Not quite as cut and dried as you suggest. The links I supplied below are from a landowner/lease dispute for an area just north of the Sault. The lessee's won! In fact, the landowners got a spanking, as well they should have, and slithered away.

http://campgrounds.pgtto.com/?page_id=555

https://www.mondaq.com/canada/landlo...es-corporation

[Species8472]

Not quite as cut and dried as you suggest. The links I supplied below are from a landowner/lease dispute for an area just north of the Sault. The lessee's won! In fact, the landowners got a spanking, as well they should have, and slithered away.

http://campgrounds.pgtto.com/?page_id=555

https://www.mondaq.com/canada/landlo...es-corporation

Hunt camps are a lot different than cottages or trailers used as a cottage by a single family where the law is concerned. Cottagers in the affected area would have a case though.

Hunt camps would have to prove that they are in fact residences as defined by the Residential Tenancies Act to have a chance - pretty unlikely.

[Bushmoose]

Hunt camps are a lot different than cottages or trailers used as a cottage by a single family where the law is concerned. Cottagers in the affected area would have a case though.

Hunt camps would have to prove that they are in fact residences for the Residential Tenancies Act to apply - pretty unlikely.

Up here, the term "camp" refers to cottage. In fact, using the word "cottage" up here will identify you as a southerner and probably exclude a person from being invited to the evening fire? LOL
I was close to being involved with this case but I had sold my place a year prior. Nevertheless, the term hunt camp, fish camp or summer camp was a common term used by most of the folks that won this case. The term used to identify ones camp or cottage, if you will, I don't think had a huge bearing on the outcome?

[Species8472]

Up here, the term "camp" refers to cottage. In fact, using the word "cottage" up here will identify you as a southerner and probably exclude a person from being invited to the evening fire? LOL
I was close to being involved with this case but I had sold my place a year prior. Nevertheless, the term hunt camp, fish camp or summer camp was a common term used by most of the folks that won this case. The term used to identify ones camp or cottage, if you will, I don't think had a huge bearing on the outcome?

Camp, cottage, trailer etc whatever you call it is irrelevant. What matters is whether the definition of "residence" as defined in the Residential Tenancy Act applies. A camp, cottage, trailer etc used in multiple seasons by the same family for multiple recreational purposes qualifies.

A makeshift shack used for hunting only by 12 different guys for 2 weeks in November - not so much and in the area in question that is the norm.

So those camps used year round for multiple purposes by one family probably have a chance anything else not so much. It will also depend on who is listed on the lease agreement. Less and from one family is better.

And for the record I only mentioned cottages because that is what the northerners called them in the legal decisions that you linked.

Also in my mind having lived in Peawanuck for several years anybody from South of Pickle Lake lives in Southern Ontario.