Who hasn't had a shot at all?

[greatwhite]

Considering the number of Scientist who worked on it vs most other medications I have zero problems with it.

You said it was it is getting less and less effective which is false. So why would you say that.

That will become dominant very soon leaving us more valuable by fall.

Notice how every few changes its getting less and less effective ?

How many shots do you really want before it even gets approved?

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[smitty55]

Considering the number of Scientist who worked on it vs most other medications I have zero problems with it.

You said it was it is getting less and less effective which is false. So why would you say that.

Pretty sure he's talking about the newer variants, not the jab. It's a scientific fact that every time a virus mutates it's becomes less potent.

[MikePal]

Pretty sure he's talking about the newer variants, not the jab. It's a scientific fact that every time a virus mutates it's becomes less potent.

The theory is, like the SARs, if the virus is too lethal it kills off it's host to quickly and doesn't have time to spread. . So viruses tend to mutate to be less 'potent' so as keep the host alive longer to spread itself.

[fishfood]

Considering the number of Scientist who worked on it vs most other medications I have zero problems with it.

You said it was it is getting less and less effective which is false. So why would you say that.

I was talking about the vaccine started off in the high 90s then heard low 90s now 64% the next jump might make the make it not worth it.

Every few mutations the virus seems to work around the vaccine. We have only trained the body to look for 1 part of the virus if that changes how effective will the vaccines be?

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[Gun Nut]

“What about offering incentive to get vaccinated was the question raise by one of the listeners to the current Ontario report on the COVID -19 virus?”. Got to love the Health Minister’s comeback to the question. “It has just been reported that 83% of the current active cases of COVID -19 are amongst the non-vaccinated. That should be pretty good incentive to get vaccinated.”

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[MikePal]

All that means is that 84% of the people tested no longer need a vaccine. They now have natural immunity.

But, due to political coercion, we have created a "have and have not" rift in society. Creating a vaccination passport requirement, as a 'carrot on the stick' to force vaccination, is fundementaly against the Charter and Privacy laws.

People who have had the virus are immune, but they're not being accepted as such by the Government. They want 100% vaccine compliance which is not required for herd immunity which is 70%-80% and includes those who were active cases and have recovered.

We passed that point long ago...but they are still pushing their agenda under a Health Emergency that does not exist anymore....one should be asking why ??

[Gun Nut]

Actually the vaccination does not guarantee immunity, demonstrated by the remaining 17% of active cases, that have received the vaccination. All it appears to achieve is a reduction in the virulent progression of the viral infections, meaning you are not likely to end up dead as a result of viral pneumonia. In fact there are some who have contract a milder case of the virus, that doesn't mean they are immune, simply put it means they were lucky. In the meantime, if they are not being vaccinated in an ongoing manner, to bolster their protection, and they have the misfortune to contract the virus again they may not be as fortunate.

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[MikePal]

In fact there are some who have contract a milder case of the virus, that doesn't mean they are immune, simply put it means they were lucky. In the meantime, if they are not being vaccinated in an ongoing manner, to bolster their protection, and they have the misfortune to contract the virus again they may not be as fortunate.

That's not true...please find a non-government influenced 'fact' sheet that supports that premise.

I'll supply some that support the idea that natural immunity is as good, if not better than a vaccinated one:

Rose Berkun, MD, an alternate delegate from New York speaking on her own behalf, said she disagreed with the medical students. She argued that several studies have found that natural immunity provides protection that is "similar to and possibly even stronger" than that of vaccination. Berkun also noted that some patients on immunosuppressive drugs did not get a good response to the vaccine.

He also pointed to a preprint article from medRxiv that shared the results of a study from the Cleveland Clinic, which suggested that people who've been previously infected with COVID-19 are "unlikely to benefit" from COVID-19 vaccination.

Kevin Reilly Sr., MD, a delegate from the Radiological Society of North America, said that he had been infected with SARS-CoV-2. He chose to get vaccinated, but said he should not have felt "coerced" to do so just to be seen as "in the same class with all the rest of my fellow citizens."

from: https://www.medpagetoday.com/meetingcoverage/ama/93179

[Gun Nut]

That's not true...please find a non-government influenced 'fact' sheet that supports that premise.

I'll supply some that support the idea that natural immunity is as good, if not better than a vaccinated one:

from: https://www.medpagetoday.com/meetingcoverage/ama/93179

Actually, I'm just been passing on opinions I've heard from medical professionals on this side of the line. I'm sure there are medical opinions from other sources which may contradict them. To be quite honest I'm not even sure the medical professionals have really much of an idea of what they are dealing with. Overtime if the virus doesn't have any more victims to infect and mutate in, it will probably slip into some type of dormancy. Giving us the impression that we have arrived at a type of herd immunity. Overtime, of course, if we let our guard down, it may again rear its ugly head. Any medical study currently suggesting anything, will have to go through several research trials to verify the findings before they can be considered to offer anything concrete. So fly with what you thing best for you. Myself having experience bacterial walking pneumonia, I've elected to get vaccinated, which hopefully will impede the viral pneumonia characteristic of this virus. I was warned in the past by someone who had viral pneumonia that it is really problematic shake. Good luck with the choice you make.

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[canadaman30]

Class action on the way. More on the subject