Fully Vaccinated Test Positive and are Hospitalized...Manitoba

[MikePal]

This is rather disturbing...the vaccine seems to be failing more and more. It's one thing to still get the virus, but the vaccines were supposed to keep you out of the hospital.

On Thursday, Manitoba public health officials reported 64 new COVID-19 cases – including 36 unvaccinated cases and 8 partially vaccinated cases. 20 of the cases were among people who had been fully vaccinated.


But what is starting to happen...some fully vaccinated are also ending up in the hospital:

As of Thursday, 62 people in Manitoba are in hospital with COVID-19, including 26 people who have active cases. Of those active cases, 20 are not vaccinated, 4 are partially vaccinated and 2 are fully vaccinated.

[MarkB]

This is rather disturbing...the vaccine seems to be failing more and more. It's one thing to still get the virus, but the vaccines were supposed to keep you out of the hospital.

On Thursday, Manitoba public health officials reported 64 new COVID-19 cases – including 36 unvaccinated cases and 8 partially vaccinated cases. 20 of the cases were among people who had been fully vaccinated.


But what is starting to happen...some fully vaccinated are also ending up in the hospital:

Vaccine does not stop you from getting the virus ... information of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated testing positive is irrelevant ... and really we also have a duty to stop fear mongering based on irrelevant data.

All that counts is severity of sickness ... as in how many vaccinated people are ending up in the hospital, relative to the % of the population that is vaccinated (considering that the vaccine is not 100% effective ... just like any other drug out there ... we would anticipate some vaccinated people still getting severe illness from COVID).

The point is what is # Vaccinated in ICU / Total population vaccinated, and compare that to # Un-Vaccinated in ICU / Total population unvaccinated ... compare these two ratios, and see if there is a big difference. Even if 55% in ICU is vaccinated, it still shows a reduced rate of severity, because right now in Ontario there are 5 times more people (80% of population has had 2 shots) vaccinated than unvaccinated ... which means a smaller % of the vaccinated population is getting severe illness from COVID. It would imply a 400% reduction rate in the severity of illness from COVID by getting vaccinated.
This is the math ... say 200 people in ICU in Ontario, half are vaccinated ... fear mongering would say, OMG!! 50% vaccinated in ICU, same percentage as unvaccinated ... OMG the vacccine isn't working! WRONG! That would be a foolish conclusion.
This is the real math ...

100 vaccinated in ICU, 100 unvaccinated in ICU
In Ontario of a total population of 14.6 million, 80% vaccinated ... or 11.7 million. Rest (2.9 million is unvaccinated).

100 vaccinated in ICU / 11.7 milliion vaccinated people = almost 9 vaccinated people get severely ill from COVID for every 1 million people vaccinated.

vs.

100 unvaccinated in ICU / 2.9 million unvaccinated people = almost 34 unvaccinated people get severely ill from COVID for every 1 million people unvaccinated.

Therefore, compare 34 to 9 ... it means that you are 4 times (400%) more likely to get severely ill after catching COVID if you are unvaccinated.

Based on this website (COVID-19 vaccinations data | COVID-19 (coronavirus) in Ontario) the real numbers are more like out of 318 people hospitalized for COVID in Ontario (not just ICU cases) ... and 64 have been vaccinated (at least one shot), and 85% of population has had at least one shot. So ... it's more like 5.5 per million for vaccinated vs. 88 per million for unvaccinated ... so really you are 16 TIMES MORE LIKELY to get severe illness from COVID 19 if you are unvaccinated ... that is 1600%!!!!!!

That is the ONLY metric that counts ... along with ICU capacity.

[Badenoch]

In Ontario the unvaccinated represent about 20% of the population but 77% of COVID-related non-ICU hospital admissions and 84.5% of ICU admissions.

https://twitter.com/jkwan_md/status/1438872823230078982

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Seatbelts don't save every life in a traffic crash. Kevlar vests don't save everyone who is shot. But like vaccines they improve your chances of survival and no one is suggesting that seat belts or Kevlar are not needed just because they are not 100 percent effective.

[MikePal]

The point being made is, that this whole Vaccine Passport is a debacle doomed to failure.

The truth of the news headline below, is that Isreal is 4 months ahead of Canada in their vaccinations and already 60% of the fully vaccinated are ending up getting the virus again are ending up in the Hospitals.

Nearly 60% of hospitalized COVID-19 patients in Israel fully vaccinated, data shows.

This Vaccine Passport that everyone thinks will save us of the pandemic is a lie. The data shows that 60 % of those who received the double jabs will in the next 4 months be as likely to get the virus as there we're before the original shot. And as we're seeing just a likely to be hospitalized. No one will be immune, vaccination or not in a few months.

The vaccine is failing.

People who think they are immune due to having received it, will be in 4 months no better off than the unvaccinated are now.

Unless of course..as some saw coming...the Government orders, sorry mandates, another Vaccination with a 3rd shot of the same vaccine.

[MarkB]

The point being made is, that this whole Vaccine Passport is a debacle doomed to failure.

The truth of the news headline below, is that Isreal is 4 months ahead of Canada in their vaccinations and already 60% of the fully vaccinated are ending up getting the virus again are ending up in the Hospitals.

Nearly 60% of hospitalized COVID-19 patients in Israel fully vaccinated, data shows.

This Vaccine Passport that everyone thinks will save us of the pandemic is a lie. The data shows that 60 % of those who received the double jabs will in the next 4 months be as likely to get the virus as there we're before the original shot. And as we're seeing just a likely to be hospitalized. No one will be immune, vaccination or not in a few months.

The vaccine is failing.

People who think they are immune due to having received it will be in 4 months be no better off than the unvaccinated are now.

Unless of course..as some saw coming...the Government orders, sorry mandates, another Vaccination with a 3rd shot of the same vaccine.

Be careful of these headlines.

If 100% of a country's population is vaccinated, then 100% of the ICU cases will be of vaccinated people. It would be impossible to have an unvaccinated person in ICU for covid, because there are none left in the population. Vaccine does not stop you from getting COVID. And although it significantly reduces the chances of getting really sick from it, there are still few people where the vaccine was not effective.

All that is important is the number of hospitalizations PER MILLION PEOPLE, and whether ICU is overwhelmed or not.

[MarkB]

Check out this graph ... from Israel. Hospitalizations are actually way down for older people. For those under 59 ... looks like not as much.
The % of hospitalizations will keep climbing for vaccinated people as the population gets closer and closer to 100% vaccination rate.
That number on its own means very little ... % of how many ... a small number?

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/i...e?country=~ISR

[MikePal]

It would be impossible to have an unvaccinated person in ICU for covid, because there are none left in the population.

With open borders, business and tourist travel to all 4 corners of the planet there is no such thing as 100%...once the efficacy of the vaccine wears off and your neighbor comes home from a vacation in XXX with the trusted Vaccine Passport in hand, infected with the virus and walks unabated thru the airport..it all starts over again.

The first 2 waves of Covid, nary a soul was vaccinated the ICUs never succumbed to the crisis. With vaccination rates approaching 80% there should NOT be an overwhelming of the ICUs. Unless the vaccine fails to protect us....which it's doing.

[MikePal]

Check out this graph ... from Israel.

Your chart sucks... it only shows data from end Dec 2020 to Mar 2021..only 3 months..vaccination effectivity is still too new.

This chart shows what happed after June...6 months after the vaccination started

https://www.google.com/search?q=isra...hrome&ie=UTF-8

[GW11]

The point being made is, that this whole Vaccine Passport is a debacle doomed to failure.

The truth of the news headline below, is that Isreal is 4 months ahead of Canada in their vaccinations and already 60% of the fully vaccinated are ending up getting the virus again are ending up in the Hospitals.

Nearly 60% of hospitalized COVID-19 patients in Israel fully vaccinated, data shows.

This Vaccine Passport that everyone thinks will save us of the pandemic is a lie. The data shows that 60 % of those who received the double jabs will in the next 4 months be as likely to get the virus as there we're before the original shot. And as we're seeing just a likely to be hospitalized. No one will be immune, vaccination or not in a few months.

The vaccine is failing.

People who think they are immune due to having received it, will be in 4 months no better off than the unvaccinated are now.

Unless of course..as some saw coming...the Government orders, sorry mandates, another Vaccination with a 3rd shot of the same vaccine.

Exactly. The only thing I would add to that is going forward the vaccinated will be more susceptible to the variants, and this type of virus mutates quickly.

Vaccines are variant-specific, your immune system isn't.

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[finsfurfeathers]

Exactly. The only thing I would add to that is going forward the vaccinated will be more susceptible to the variants, and this type of virus mutates quickly.

Vaccines are variant-specific, your immune system isn't.

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Vacinated or not your immune system is the same. With a variant it may be close enough that the antibodies floating around will give you a head start if not both the vax and not vax start at the same point