Provinces face calls to make new National Day for Truth and Reconciliation a statutory holiday

[mosquito]

People need to spend some time learning history... the crap you hear... this thread had some good facts but what you see in the media and especially on CBC you would think it was some kind of genocide instead of an attempt at education (that royally screwed up mostly) and part of the Indian Act from 1876 (if I remember right), think about the same time as Custer's Last Stand, Riel, Metis rebellion etc.
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We already went over that before. I was watching CBC and they had one woman saying that the 215 had been murdered, one the records say why they died and TB, polio, diarrhea and a long list of diseases are mentioned, two they haven't examined one body yet and the graveyard know, just the wood markers long gone.
https://www.oodmag.com/community/sho...=1#post1164803

So how about a few other holidays, I have some suggestions.

1) We can combine the two internments into one for the Ukrainian and Japanese, probably others.

2) Victims of Socialism and Communism. A history of Stalin, the Chinese genocide and great famine, Ukrainian famine and even a look at the National Socialists in Germany.

3) Neutral tribe genocide day, for those massacred as soon as one tribe got the advantage

4) Slavery history day, lots here with the Underground railroad and North Buxton, who supplied the slaves to the ships, where they went in the world and what happened to them. They can talk about how atleast 1M white Europeans and Americans were captured and enslaved on the Barbary coast, the many millions shipped and sold in the Arabic nations (I read 50% didn't survive the trip and they were castrated to keep the population in control). The modern human trafficking and sex slavery, alot of dark history here that people usually don't want to say much facts about.

5) History day, where starting say 2000 BC they would put out publications or a few tv documentaries on what was happening and what it was like to live in that century. 40 years of holidays there and they can start over. Lot of material, living conditions, climate/environment (droughts, famines, volcanoes..), cultural changes, innovations, population migrations, genocides and abuses, tons of material.

Those graves have been there for 100 years and putting up a memorial or educational material (honest material) I have no issue with, the outright lies and stupidity and political sh** does tick me off though. Those kids died from disease mostly with likely some neglect and abuse but would they have been better of in their homes, looking at the mortality rates from the 1900's I would say possibly or a good chance probably not and until they examine the bodies, the records and come to a conclusion with evidence the political and opportunistic sh** is disgusting!

[MikePal]

It's interesting how quiet a thread gets when a few guys bring forward facts that challenge the narrative we're being fed by MSM.

The content of the video I posted is never mentioned, the problems on the reserves have been there for over 100 yrs. And it continues today. Over 15,000 kids have been removed,by authorities, from their homes because of deplorable conditions. ..but all we hear is how in doing so were are stripping the kids of their language and culture...

Like Mosquito says, everyone is under the assumption (due to MSM) that the children in the graves associated with residential schools died of abuse by the colonists who were stripping the kids of the language and culture. The truth is, the vast majority died of diseases like TB that ran rampant at that time in history.

But don't let the 'Truth' be told on a Special Day designated to learn the 'Truth'....no one really wants to hear it

[Birdbuff]

It's interesting how quiet a thread gets when a few guys bring forward facts that challenge the narrative we're being fed by MSM.

The content of the video I posted is never mentioned, the problems on the reserves have been there for over 100 yrs. And it continues today. Over 15,000 kids have been removed,by authorities, from their homes because of deplorable conditions. ..but all we hear is how in doing so were are stripping the kids of their language and culture...

Like Mosquito says, everyone is under the assumption (due to MSM) that the children in the graves associated with residential schools died of abuse by the colonists who were stripping the kids of the language and culture. The truth is, the vast majority died of diseases like TB that ran rampant at that time in history.

But don't let the 'Truth' be told on a Special Day designated to learn the 'Truth'....

They should have died at home with their families.

They survived pretty good before colonists showed up.

They were clearly taken advantage of under the guise of friendship.

Previous governments created the problem. Fixing the problem isn’t easy, but throwing money at it blindly won’t help.

[mosquito]

They should have died at home with their families.

They survived pretty good before colonists showed up.

They were clearly taken advantage of under the guise of friendship.

Previous governments created the problem. Fixing the problem isn’t easy, but throwing money at it blindly won’t help.

Looking at the mortality rates among all Canadian children at that time, they likely would have. So you would deny them the opportunity to get an education based on what exactly? Shall we in terms of today deny the children the opportunity to go to school, play sports, see their friends on the risk of the Wuhan Pneumonia?

They did? Have you ever looked at the mortality and disease rate, the slavery and warfare? It would be hard to compare and know if they practised human sacrifice like the Inca where thousands might be sacrificed in a day or cannibalism where eating another gave them strength like some in the Caribbean and South Western US are known. We do however know that as soon as measles, smallpox, tb and other European diseases arrived that huge areas were depopulated or suffered huge population drops, often without ever seeing a European and that cultural/agricultural levels etc. plummeted. The idea that North America should have remained a sheltered island is essentially what you are say. Blankets, beads, firearms, iron tools and cookware all were in huge demand and the furs bought by the NorthWest Trading and HBC a huge business and important to both peoples.

Look up the Indian Act and it's requirements to educate and integrate, the execution was underfunded, poorly lead and often discriminatory but like today in our modern education system there are those that worked hard and wanted the best for the children and those that hated them and just wanted to get paid for as little work as possible. Like today the effort to provide the children with the best education suffers from politics, lethargy and incompetence.

Throwing money is what the Libs do, spending $9 on admin, bureaucracy and entitled leaders and $1 on the person that needs the help. Time to toss out the whole race based sh** pile from the late 1800's and help those that need it, incorporate reserves that want to and make the leaders responsible and accountable. Free University tuition, tax benefits etc. can be continued until say 2070 (picked since that's the year the Libs say they will now balance the budget) and race based politics that just creates division tossed in the history scrapper.

[Bushwhacker]

The absolute irony of naming it “truth & reconciliation day” when it’s neither about truth nor reconciliation.

Great posts from Mosquito & Mikepal that actually get to the truth of the matter.

Still waiting for the country to “‘reconcile” the drunken sailor spending habits of the liberals with the lack of clean water and internal corruption (rich chiefs) on many reserves.

[Birdbuff]

if we're discussing the 'truth' ..part...I'd be interested in knowing if they're going to explain just what the Indigenous contribution is to the Canadian people, other than Cheap smokes and Casinos....

-Canoes
-Maple syrup
-Knowledge of the landscape which lead to expansion
-knowledge of survival in the colder months which allowed for population growth

What about asking the question the other way around. What have the people of Canada done for the indigenous? Except for keep them under their thumb and allowing them to live in squaller.

Education and integration of yesteryear did no favours to any indigenous peoples world wide (look at Australia and South America).

Once the bias and anger stops then the real planning and fair planning can commence. Until then it will remain as it is now.

The one bright spot of the truth and reconciliation day (not a fan of the days name) might be the amended curriculum in our schools. Educate the next generation so that they may excel where everyone else has failed.

[MikePal]

- What have the people of Canada done for the indigenous? Except for keep them under their thumb and allowing them to live in squaller.

They live in squaller because of themselves...I've been on many reservations in Manitoba and the video I posted was the norm.

Their entire infrastructure is provided by the colonist; their homes, their electricity, their vehicles, their phones, their TVs, their groceries, their health care, their schools, their hunting rifles...and on and on and on....

Over 100 years and all you can think of that they provided is canoes and maple sugar ???

Oh..and by the way the Aztecs invented the canoe..

[Sharon]

My father always spoke highly of the First Nations people to us as kids. I never knew why, but learned later that when the first of our family settlers arrived in Canada - 1777 from Montreal to Prince Edward County- it was the First Nations people who got them through that first winter. The settlers would have died otherwise.

PS One day, Dad drove 2 kids home to their reserve (hitchhikers). He also had groceries in the back seat with them. When Dad got home 2 bags of potato chips were empty. He never heard a thing.

[Birdbuff]

They live in squaller because of themselves...I've been on many reservations in Manitoba and the video I posted was the norm.

Their entire infrastructure is provided by the colonist; their homes, their electricity, their vehicles, their phones, their TVs, their groceries, their health care, their schools, their hunting rifles...and on and on and on....

Over 100 years and all you can think of that they provided is canoes and maple sugar ???

Oh..and by the way the Aztecs invented the canoe..

It is too easy a phrase to just say they do it to themselves. Their entire civilization changed upon the arrival of Europeans. Normalcy gone, traditions attacked, way of life greatly diminished. Ever changing policies and treaties, government after government. No stability at all. Once you get it figured out, the carpet is pulled from under you again.

Their way of life was stolen. And while the rest of society adapted with the changing times, they did not fare so well.

Tough to dig yourself out when you have no one in your corner rooting for you. It’s a spiral to the bottom, each generation trying to make the best they can with what they have. Yes I’m sure there is corruption among them, just like everywhere. But I highly doubt they are all the same.

It wouldn’t hurt if society looked upon them differently. After all they are just like you and I, they are Canadian.

And yes dug out canoes existed all around the world, but the birch bark canoe of Algonquin design is the one that all modern day canoes resemble. And when people think of maple syrup and canoeing, they generally think of Canada.

[delmer]

Bingo....some facts...
Today...not 100 yrs ago...the problem with Indigenous Children continues. And it's an Indigenous problem.
....this is the basic fact but then this is what it's turned into.... ...bullcrap !!

And that's the root of the problem...the FN continues, after 100's of yrs , to still blame Canadians for all their problems, especially when it's associated with their children. Truth be told....the kids need to have a better life than what they were born into.

The lines are being muddied between the current first nations issues, and what was happening 100+ years ago. At that time, children were being confiscated from families on reserves (often never to be seen again) so that they could be indoctrinated to western culture. That is the crux of the "every child matters" movement. What is going on now in reserves is a totally different dilemma.

...the FN continues, after after 100's of yrs , to still blame Canadians for all their problems, especially when it's associated with their children. Truth be told....the kids need to have a better life than what they were born into.

I don't disagree, but again, the distinction between what was forced upon the FN in regard to residential schools, and what is going on now on the reserves, are two different things. Life on reserves now is governed by their own elected body, whereas it was dictated by the feds previously.