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October 5th, 2021, 08:16 AM
#11

Originally Posted by
Birdbuff
Yes seriously.
If many companies treated their workforce better, there would not be the need for all these help wanted signs. Workforce retention is a problem today. Gone are the days of yesteryear when you could start at a job and climb the ladder of success. Some companies put profits ahead of everything. They trade one high paying job for a newbie they can pay less, then they recycle that position as they need. It’s not a new problem.
Your bang on with this, some folks on here need to ask why do we have 817,000 jobs in Canada with nobody filling them.
My guess would be that the majority are service entry jobs that traditionally Canadians will not take because they believe they are above working at them. Hence the continued need for immigrant's who will take these jobs.
Perfect example right now is Great Britain where because of the Conservative led exit out of the EU, we now have a Conservative Prime Minister who cannot even get gas delivered to the pumps, the EU drivers went back to Poland and other countries.
So the next part is traditional Canadians being to lazy to get qualified for the jobs that are not service entry.
But Birdbuff you are right Capitalism is not working because companies have NO LOYALTY to employee's any more, nickel and dime them, take away benefits, abuse them on overtime and wages and employee's simply find ways around the problem.
Its going to get worse not so much for new immigrants who are coming because they will fill the job's, its going to get worse for
Canadians whose families have been in the country for generations. They are the one's who used to hold the life long career job's at the Motors and such places and they are going fast.
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October 5th, 2021 08:16 AM
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October 5th, 2021, 08:56 AM
#12
If you want to make a decent wage, get a decent job. Period. Factory floor jobs paying big bucks are a thing of the past, much easier to have the work done offshore for a few bucks a day paid to someone who wants to eat.
Get a trade, learn some skills that you can carry with you and use in multiple situations for a lifetime.
Service jobs, such as waiters do pay well at times with tips, but the new world order can put you on the street tomorrow and you have no recourse if it is all shut down. Learning to make a Big Mac might pay some bills, but doesn't help get many jobs in the rest of the job market if they don't want Big Macs.
As has been stated, many service jobs were always just for entry level younguns or part time senior pocket money during school hours. If the wage for these jobs is bumped up to $20-$25 an hour, the product sold becomes to expensive. A catch 22 situation for which there is no single answer.
John
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October 5th, 2021, 09:45 AM
#13
Has too much time on their hands

Originally Posted by
Birdbuff
I think this is just another example of how capitalism isn’t working. Companies are too concerned with profits not paying decent living wages. Getting the most out of people for the least.
I would say at best you don't have a clue about what capitalism is or you just buy the Marxist trash. Let's start at the basics...
Capitalism rewards those that work and think and innovate.
Minimum wage is the minimum, it was never intended to meet a particular standard of life, it is for the unskilled, those starting out and statistics show it is mostly those that get paid it are mostly that. A large portion of those are kids working at small businesses. We see what happened when the minimum wage took a huge jump in Ontario, over 50,000 jobs lost, thousands of businesses closed and only the big businesses benefited and even they reduced costs (staff/hours). So the small business owner that is trying to get ahead, is working 60+ hours a week and barely getting by and actually making much less than minimum wage suddenly had his costs increased by hundreds or thousands, now had to work even more himself with less staff and had costs go up too or give up, often loosing tens of thousands or more in investment.
Capitalism is a system that offers a chance, studies of the income levels show there is a significant portion that moves up and down on the pay scales, there is opportunity to change, opportunity to achieve a goal. To force a small business to pay more than they can afford just closes businesses and ends opportunities, if a person wants to make more they can learn, change jobs, work extra jobs etc. if they want to. It also forces people to pay under the table to stay open, at my friends restaurant I helped with occasionally before they closed (after the wage increase moved it from breaking even to thousands in the red) the one girl I talked to her previous job was in cash and $5 an hour and that was how they paid most of the staff, mostly new immigrants and teens. The few times I worked with them I often saw people come in and openly say they would work for cash and less because there was no jobs. Your "living wage" at minimum wage is just b.s. that kills opportunity (students, small businesses etc.) and actually isn't relevant to those actually making that wage, it is just sh** to kill businesses and opportunity.
Capitalism is what saved China, Russia and benefited tens of millions of people, when the Chinese incorporated the capitalistic ideas into their dictatorship that is when the people benefited, it works.
In general minimum wage as a living wage ranks right up there with budgets balancing themselves, wrong minded and detrimental. Companies are there to survive, the idiotic idea that unskilled and beginner staff deserve more is wrong minded, they deserve what they bring to the table, if they have skills they have more to bring and earn more, that simple. If they have none they have to compromise and share apartments, rent rooms, stay at home, take classes etc. or work longer or maybe more jobs and get the skills and experience that makes them worth more. The reality is that companies owe them nothing more than for the skills and effort they bring in the hours they show up for work, some companies choose loyalty to staff at a cost to them, that's very good and people should care and buy from them, but it is their choice on the company they want to run and the image they want to show and costs they can compete at.
Last edited by mosquito; October 5th, 2021 at 10:58 AM.
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October 5th, 2021, 10:21 AM
#14
Capitalism works if you work hard - I know of many families who were immigrants and worked in the coal mines and because of their work ethic the kids grew up to be successful - my self included - my dad was a coal miner - worked hard to provide the needs of our family - my sister and brother and me all ended up with college degrees in good fields - all my kids are likewise educated and have been very successful - so what I am saying - work hard and don't do stupid things and you will find capitalism provides opportunities -
I think that a lot of the jobs that are looking for workers are paying in the range of $14 to $17 dollars an hour - my one son was at Cabela's over the weekend and the checkout line was almost the length of the store because they were short of cashiers - the same thing was happening at Costco - I guess eventually they will have to raise the pay to get workers otherwise customers will not put up with the long lines - or you will be dealing with a robot at checkout -
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October 5th, 2021, 11:54 AM
#15

Originally Posted by
JoePa
Capitalism works if you work hard - I know of many families who were immigrants and worked in the coal mines and because of their work ethic the kids grew up to be successful - my self included - my dad was a coal miner - worked hard to provide the needs of our family - my sister and brother and me all ended up with college degrees in good fields - all my kids are likewise educated and have been very successful - so what I am saying - work hard and don't do stupid things and you will find capitalism provides opportunities -
I think that a lot of the jobs that are looking for workers are paying in the range of $14 to $17 dollars an hour - my one son was at Cabela's over the weekend and the checkout line was almost the length of the store because they were short of cashiers - the same thing was happening at Costco - I guess eventually they will have to raise the pay to get workers otherwise customers will not put up with the long lines - or you will be dealing with a robot at checkout -
Seen one greenhouse $19.00 North Star window is $20.00 I bet green house is way more hours if you have desire to work
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October 5th, 2021, 12:05 PM
#16
I know where a young person could get a construction job, start at 30$/hr. Hard work, long hours, dangerous and you have to like heights. The boss man is always crying that young guys just don't want to work.
He's right, I see it everyday.
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October 5th, 2021, 12:49 PM
#17
Its a little funny that all the people saying there's nothing wrong with multi million/ billion dollar companies paying minimum wage and everything works havent had to find a job in how long? Or dare I say it retired possibly?
Alot of "entry position" jobs require you to have X amount of years experience for that very job some how.
I've been told I was going to be made a full time employee maybe 4 times now in the past 6 months. Nothing has happened. They only have hired more part timers who don't show up or call in sick every week.
What most of you are explaining is how it works for the companies. No one gives a crap about their employees anymore.
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October 5th, 2021, 12:52 PM
#18

Originally Posted by
Bowjob
Its a little funny that all the people saying there's nothing wrong with multi million/ billion dollar companies paying minimum wage and everything works havent had to find a job in how long? Or dare I say it retired possibly?
Alot of "entry position" jobs require you to have X amount of years experience for that very job some how.
I've been told I was going to be made a full time employee maybe 4 times now in the past 6 months. Nothing has happened. They only have hired more part timers who don't show up or call in sick every week.
What most of you are explaining is how it works for the companies. No one gives a crap about their employees anymore.
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October 5th, 2021, 12:58 PM
#19

Originally Posted by
Bowjob
. No one gives a crap about their employees anymore.
Talking with some business people over this shortage of workers in the past while. That statement is somewhat one sided. The people have a business to run and are having a hard time finding good employees. You alluded to it yourself; . they miss shifts, come late call in sick, won't take weekend shifts etc ....all leaving the owner to scramble last minute to find replacements.
There is definitely a lack of worth ethic and little disregard for the employer...
Last edited by MikePal; October 5th, 2021 at 02:17 PM.
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October 5th, 2021, 02:09 PM
#20

Originally Posted by
MikePal
Seriously ??..I guess you're one of the ones that believe we should have a Universal Basic Income and jobs creation is left to government-run facilities and work camps. You don't own anything and are happy HaHa..
Your right Joe, my wife's sister was in town, so were we doing a lot of driving around the amount of 'Help Wanted' and 'We're Hiring' billboards was astounding. Even A&W has 'Job Fair' signs out. Never seen anything like this in all my life.
Yet the Government is still paying out taxpayers' money in emergency aid for people who can't find work due to the Pandemic. Yet businesses are operating on reduced hours and limited service because they have no staff.
I think the tap gets shut off this month...hopefully that will force people back into the work force.
I was in the Carp industrial park two weeks ago. Not just signs in windows. Sandwich boards out by the road. "Signing Bonus" "We Will Train".
BTW Canada's unemployment rate is still over 7% if you can figure that out. I can't.