Just a flu?

[smitty55]

- they are injecting us with something that when the 5G network is turned on it will either be able to track us or control us. Nanochips and graphene have both been suggested.

Not exactly what you're saying but to think it's not possible is like having blinders on. Check out this patent for a start.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US10786570B2/en

[MarkB]

More fake news fooling us you say...lol
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Not all of it is fake news, but I can assure you, we are all reading and believing some fake news.
Both sides, vaxxers and anti-vaxxers alike ... there's a war going on, for your unwavering support.

[MarkB]

Thing is it's not because they wanted it so much as the fact that for the most part they have been coerced with the threat of dismissal. If they were actually left to choose on there own with no repercussions no doubt the numbers would be quite different.

Not really. All my doctor and nurse friends (close, as in I play poker with them, or see them once a week at the hockey rink on my son's team) ... they all chose to take the vaccine on their own, no pressure by the government. They did it only because they felt it was the right thing.

Like I said, I don't just believe in the BS I read, I talk to people, I have REAL information.

[MarkB]

If that's the case then would it not also apply to all those people who call everyone who believes in free choice anti vaxxers when in fact it's only the experimental mRNA covid vaccine with it's many reported side effects that many people are against being forced to take. It has to work both ways, or at least it should.

I agree, it has to work both ways.

Same thing with information and choices ... by calling COVID a common cold is a slap in the face to many who have died and gotten very sick from it.
To call us sheep, when we have seen our loved ones suffer and die is also a slap in the face ... and quite frankly ... y'all get the eyeball roll when you
type such things, because we all know those kinds of things being said by anti-vaxxers is complete nonsense, so you just lose credibility.

[MarkB]

Not exactly what you're saying but to think it's not possible is like having blinders on. Check out this patent for a start.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US10786570B2/en

Smitty, if they want to inject you with something ... it's already been done. LOL. They don't need a vaccine like this.

Has anyone here had a PCR COVID test yet??? Any anti-vaxxer??? What's stopping them from implanting a chip deep in your sinus from the test swab?
You can ingest nano materials ... and you wouldn't even know it ... you don't need a needle.

[canadaman30]

Not really. All my doctor and nurse friends (close, as in I play poker with them, or see them once a week at the hockey rink on my son's team) ... they all chose to take the vaccine on their own, no pressure by the government. They did it only because they felt it was the right thing.

Like I said, I don't just believe in the BS I read, I talk to people, I have REAL information.

You do realize healthcare workers are silenced to speak negative about vaccine through contractual agreement with phyzer?

I'm sure you'll chalk it up as fake news as well?...lol

[MeghanOOD]

If that's the case then would it not also apply to all those people who call everyone who believes in free choice anti vaxxers when in fact it's only the experimental mRNA covid vaccine with it's many reported side effects that many people are against being forced to take. It has to work both ways, or at least it should.

Smitty,
It could be anything about anything, but marked contempt for "the other" is the thing that we're trying to discourage here. State your positions cleanly, is all we ask, and please follow the forum guidelines.

[Bushwhacker]

Well, I like to use my own data ... forget everyone else and what they say ... just my own, who I personally know, what I've seen with my own eyes ... this way I know I don't need to trust the propoganda of both sides ... vaxxers and anti-vaxxers alike ... because both sides have lots of bull$H!t they believe in ... YES, BOTH SIDES.

Here's my data ... I now know 2 anti-vaxxers that died (one a family member) from COVID in the past 4 months! I don't know ANYONE that has died from an "ordinary flu" ... ZERO.
I know 7 people in total that have died from COVID (antivaxx and vaxx together) in the past 1 year. I know a handful of people that got it and survived and say it is the WORST thing they've ever experienced.
I know a few people (a little less than the number that got really sick from COVID), that tested for COVID (due to proximity to someone who had COVID) ... and they were positive, but had no symptoms.
The majority of my friends and family have not tested positive for COVID.
I have spoken with doctors in Italy and Canada, who were/are live on the scene treating COVID patients ... and they say it's no joke.

So, those are my truths/realities ... from my perspective ... when you guys say this is nothing than the sniffles ... I'm like, what drugs you guys on?
You see ... you guys point your fingers at the other side and call them sheep.
You guys are sheep too ... you are just believing BS that someone else you trust is tell you.

LOTS of sheep, on both sides of the equation ... tonnes and tonnes of sheep! Baaaaaaaa. Baaaaaa.

No discredit to you Bushwhacker ... I just wish people would stop jumping in deep with the propaganda on both sides ... we are being played!
Don't let them fool you!

The truth is in the middle ... it always has.

Vaccine should be a choice ... but get educated, and stop listening to the propaganda!

An important distinction I believe you have missed sir: propaganda, by definition, is usually something that is propped up by various arms of the state apparatus for some type of political/financial gain. It is subversive and seeks to control rather than inform. So a smaller % of dissidents or freedom fighters would not necessarily be spreading propaganda...they would be combating the propaganda by trying to expose the truth (which is increasingly being censored). It does favour one side of the political aisle much more heavily, and that is simply a 'point' that just needs to be scored in this particular debate. Especially when such things come directly from the horse's mouth -- great reset, build back better, not to mention the inventor of the pcr test and mrna vaccines.

People see through this and ask questions. This is a healthy and natural response from a free Western country.

I'm not interested in comparing anecdotal evidence. You happen to know people who have had more complicated experiences with Covid, while I have the opposite experience. My wife and I, as well as some friends and family members were all totally fine in about 5 days. I've had worse hangovers. I know several healthy people including a young family member who've had severe complications from the vaccine. I know healthy people who were completely flattened by the flu, and one friend who almost died.

As you said we are free to use our own practical reason to guide or decision making process. But just like my opening paragraph above, the difference is one point of view is heavily bought and paid for, while the other is censored and suppressed at every turn. They only recently squeaked out an article that actually mentioned natural immunity being more effective than the vaccines. I couldn't believe it.

Many people are choosing to trust in their God-given rationality and immune systems for a virus that has a 99% survival rate, instead of lying politicians and the so called 'experts' on their payroll. There's nothing conspiratorial about that.

Very few young healthy people have been severely harmed by Covid. That's a fact. The average age of a Covid death is over 80, which is higher than the average life expectancy in North America.

If parents want to vaccinate their 5-11 year old because big daddy government tells them it's a good idea I will obviously have to disagree, but they are free to do so.

It's not a slap in the face to the people who've been hurt from Covid to accurately point out statistics and speak honestly about its purported dangers being overblown. It is a slap in the face to be lied to and misled by countless so called experts who've flipped flopped all over the place regarding the efficacy of certain measures, and stabbed each other in the back amidst a complete lack of scientific consensus. By politicians who've been complicit in one of the most ruthless forms of social engineering we've ever seen. The countless people who've suffered mental health breakdowns and economic ruin because of hypocritical, anti-scientific lockdowns. Kids who aren't allowed to play outside with their friends or take off their masks at school because of cowardly, hysterical fully vaccinated parents and teachers. Kids who've missed their graduation and other milestone events. Kids who couldn't play sports while pro athletes galavanted around the globe and dined in fancy restaurants. That's a slap in the face.

We went from "15 days to flatten the curve" to "3 shots or you lose your job and all your freedoms"

If people want to line up for infinite boosters and continue wearing masks while living in fear that is their choice.

They should also respect the choice of those who take the opposite path, especially those with natural immunity to the virus.

[Bushwhacker]

Some funny memes on the matter

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[MarkB]

You do realize healthcare workers are silenced to speak negative about vaccine through contractual agreement with phyzer?

I'm sure you'll chalk it up as fake news as well?...lol

LOL ... fake news has to be the buzz word around here. It's being thrown around by both sides, and somehow
people get a sense of accomplishment, and feel steadfast in their opinions ... because if it doesn't fit your beliefs,
it's GOT TO BE FAKE NEWS RIGHT?? LOL .... we are doomed.

No, no ... I can reassure you my friends don't give a about phyzer ...

But let me guess, you'll chalk it up as fake news as well? right?