A Very Big Mistake

[gbk]

Well short on going over to China and looking for yourself I guess your out of luck. It does not take much to imagine what is going on there but watching the suppression of demonstrators in Hong Kong or the plight of the 12 million Muslim Uyghurs, or our own Two Michaels held hostage.

So do you think this is all made up stuff by the MSM. Do you think 60 minutes and PBS just fake all their documentaries.

Have you never seen the CTV cameras all over China on these shows. Do you not believe Covid came from China?
I am sure you don't have personal experience with a ton of matters but is that a good excuse not to investigate.

Generally i do not respond, if there is no end in sight for the discussion.
(This is just my habit in lieu of the ignore feature.)

However-while being inquisitive, source of the information is much important,as much as the evergreen (mostly conveniently omitted question) Cui Bono...?

Nevertheless- my point was- keeps me amazed all the time, that many in the free world take it upon themselves, to decide what is right or what is wrong in other countries.
That is what we call-if applied against us (righfully so)-interfering in our own internal affairs.

Beating the drum on the "other"side toppled more then one Government just in my lifetime-then turned out: whoops ,some from the "other" side had great benefits ( $$$ )from that.
Worse yet-fueling opposition in other countries cost more lives then we care to admit-all this ,after the ones whom took the encouragement, acted upon-then left alone to suck up all the punches of revenge.

[Gilroy]

Funny, you Kool-aid drinking’ liebrals always resort to, it’s Harper’s fault, or Harris’ fault…..you must be infatuated with Mr.Harper !!!!!

Not me its Canadaman who decided it was smart to post a video where Trudeau compared Harper to a dictator, then the voting public decided Trudeau was right and the rest is history. Very old history, but as you guys vomited it up again what can I say.

[Gilroy]

Generally i do not respond, if there is no end in sight for the discussion.
(This is just my habit in lieu of the ignore feature.)

However-while being inquisitive, source of the information is much important,as much as the evergreen (mostly conveniently omitted question) Cui Bono...?

Nevertheless- my point was- keeps me amazed all the time, that many in the free world take it upon themselves, to decide what is right or what is wrong in other countries.
That is what we call-if applied against us (righfully so)-interfering in our own internal affairs.

Beating the drum on the "other"side toppled more then one Government just in my lifetime-then turned out: whoops ,some from the "other" side had great benefits ( $$$ )from that.
Worse yet-fueling opposition in other countries cost more lives then we care to admit-all this ,after the ones whom took the encouragement, acted upon-then left alone to suck up all the punches of revenge.

Considering they are one of our biggest trading partners I think its prudent to know what they are doing in their own country to their own citizens. Personally I would like us as a country to start weaning ourselves of dealing with this government in China.

[Bushwhacker]

Maybe the media outfits you are watching are not critical of China, almost everyone I watch and you would say they are left leaning are VERY CRITICAL OF CHINA. CNN, PBS, CBC, 60 minutes have show after show and documentary after documentary on the human rights abuses in China. Your own Prime Minister is at odd's with China on those very abuses, so much so that we are now looking to trade with India more.

Maybe the Muslims you should be worried about are the 12 million in China being abused everyday, or the demonstrators in Hong Kong.

The middle east was no different from Europe with endless wars on both sides.

Except of course the MUSLIM WORLD has always been light years ahead of Europe in Science ,Astronomy, Architecture ,Mathematics.

Many on the right decided that giving China a hand's up and creating a cheap labor pool was a good idea for western companies and making them into capitalists. Well they used the capitalist model to their own end's and now we see the result.

A leader of the CCP a dictator, with visions of world domination, helped up not by the left in the west but by the right. Starting with Ronald Reagan, Nixon, they got them their start. Corruption is in every government in almost every country to some degree, but human rights abuses and constant surveillance is the norm in China.

Nope. The left is generally afraid to criticize China for the reasons I mentioned. They have to consult their handy field manual of who takes priority on the latest victimology pyramid before doing anything, and run aground when torn between human rights abuses, extreme environmental negligence and their infatuation with the exotic and noble 'other'. Plus, the left historically has cozied up to dictators and idolizes communist & socialist regimes. Even today, after all we know about the horrors of Mao, Pot, Stalin, Castro, Guevara, etc. people still proudly wear communist symbols. Many professors still identify as Marxists. Many still downplay the failures of Venezuela and North Korea as overblown, rather than prime modern examples of a deeply pathological system. The left are the ones who most eagerly lap up the QR codes, vax passes and increased erosion of our basic liberties in an attempt to appear progressive and cosmopolitan.

Any slightly critical views by the outlets you mentioned would be an attempt to appear somewhat moderate. But they have to be careful, lest they bite the hand that feeds them.

The only real 'tough on China' rhetoric came from the right, and we can remember how people responded to Trump's rhetoric in this regard.

I am concerned with the absolutely disgusting human rights abuses of all people in China, which is why I'm critical of China...

It's good that you are too. You must be a liberal from 20 years ago. Not many of those still around. They've all somehow been labelled Nazis by the radical left.

Your comments on Europe vs the middle east could not be further from the truth, and are so patently absurd I'm not even sure where to begin.
Islam began through a mis-reading of the new testament. The Arabic people were goat herders and camel jockeys and were not sophisticated in any capacity. All the so-called advancements falsely attributed to the Islamic world were actually from the Persian empire (a very advanced civilization it would soon brutally slaughter and convert) and the Assyrians/Babylonians from about 2500 years before Islam invaded Mesopotamia.

The translations of ancient texts (mostly Greek philosophy) were actually done by early Christian monks / missionaries, who then passed them to Syrian Christian monks who translated them into Arabic.

One of the main reasons Islam didn't develop is because it was a philosophical dead-end. Its conception of God did not leave room for secondary causality, and so they couldn't properly comprehend science.

If you want to talk about Islamic contributions to the West we can perhaps begin with their contributions to modern airport security. Or the suicide vest, which was a real ground breaker!

As Billy Connolly says, "never trust anyone who only has one book"

Back to China, they have benefitted greatly from embracing capitalism. Many have increased their standard of living, bringing electricity and technology to remote villages, etc. Two problems:

1) Anything can be overdone, and gluttony is not good. I don't agree that wages should be driven down exponentially. Look at western greed, but also China's greed and incompetence.
2) The problem all non-Christian countries have (same with India, as the caste system is something you can never get out of) is that human life simply isn't valued the same way. People are much more disposable.

So China is a weird hybrid of perhaps the worst aspects of communism, capitalism and secularism. How to fix that? Well we can try fixing some of our own problems here first.

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[Gilroy]

Nope. The left is generally afraid to criticize China for the reasons I mentioned. They have to consult their handy field manual of who takes priority on the latest victimology pyramid before doing anything, and run aground when torn between human rights abuses, extreme environmental negligence and their infatuation with the exotic and noble 'other'. Plus, the left historically has cozied up to dictators and idolizes communist & socialist regimes. Even today, after all we know about the horrors of Mao, Pot, Stalin, Castro, Guevara, etc. people still proudly wear communist symbols. Many professors still identify as Marxists. Many still downplay the failures of Venezuela and North Korea as overblown, rather than prime modern examples of a deeply pathological system. The left are the ones who most eagerly lap up the QR codes, vax passes and increased erosion of our basic liberties in an attempt to appear progressive and cosmopolitan.

Any slightly critical views by the outlets you mentioned would be an attempt to appear somewhat moderate. But they have to be careful, lest they bite the hand that feeds them.

The only real 'tough on China' rhetoric came from the right, and we can remember how people responded to Trump's rhetoric in this regard.

I am concerned with the absolutely disgusting human rights abuses of all people in China, which is why I'm critical of China...

It's good that you are too. You must be a liberal from 20 years ago. Not many of those still around. They've all somehow been labelled Nazis by the radical left.

Your comments on Europe vs the middle east could not be further from the truth, and are so patently absurd I'm not even sure where to begin.
Islam began through a mis-reading of the new testament. The Arabic people were goat herders and camel jockeys and were not sophisticated in any capacity. All the so-called advancements falsely attributed to the Islamic world were actually from the Persian empire (a very advanced civilization it would soon brutally slaughter and convert) and the Assyrians/Babylonians from about 2500 years before Islam invaded Mesopotamia.

The translations of ancient texts (mostly Greek philosophy) were actually done by early Christian monks / missionaries, who then passed them to Syrian Christian monks who translated them into Arabic.

One of the main reasons Islam didn't develop is because it was a philosophical dead-end. Its conception of God did not leave room for secondary causality, and so they couldn't properly comprehend science.

If you want to talk about Islamic contributions to the West we can perhaps begin with their contributions to modern airport security. Or the suicide vest, which was a real ground breaker!

As Billy Connolly says, "never trust anyone who only has one book"

Back to China, they have benefitted greatly from embracing capitalism. Many have increased their standard of living, bringing electricity and technology to remote villages, etc. Two problems:

1) Anything can be overdone, and gluttony is not good. I don't agree that wages should be driven down exponentially. Look at western greed, but also China's greed and incompetence.
2) The problem all non-Christian countries have (same with India, as the caste system is something you can never get out of) is that human life simply isn't valued the same way. People are much more disposable.

So China is a weird hybrid of perhaps the worst aspects of communism, capitalism and secularism. How to fix that? Well we can try fixing some of our own problems here first.

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Well considering that not only did Republicans allow the Chinese to get there start in the Capitalist World, the last Conservative Prime Minister Stephen Harper was an enormous supporter of trade with China and signed Canada's first trade agreements, how do you square those facts.

1) Anything can be overdone, and gluttony is not good. I don't agree that wages should be driven down exponentially. Look at western greed, but also China's greed and incompetence.
2) The problem all non-Christian countries have (same with India, as the caste system is something you can never get out of) is that human life simply isn't valued the same way. People are much more disposable.


Yes I agree it was the GLUTTONY of the business owners and Captains of Industry who fled into the hands of the Chinese for their slave labor and their own Corporate Profits.

Trying to gut the trade Unions in Canada and America and reduce all of us to gig economy workers. Nobody to get a living wage.

The only credit I can Give to Donald TRUMP was he called this out and was prepared to do something.


The pictures on problems at home shows an angry middle eastern man, they have been the victims of mass shootings at Mosques in Canada, street assaults not the perpetrators.

[Bushwhacker]

Well considering that not only did Republicans allow the Chinese to get there start in the Capitalist World, the last Conservative Prime Minister Stephen Harper was an enormous supporter of trade with China and signed Canada's first trade agreements, how do you square those facts.

1) Anything can be overdone, and gluttony is not good. I don't agree that wages should be driven down exponentially. Look at western greed, but also China's greed and incompetence.
2) The problem all non-Christian countries have (same with India, as the caste system is something you can never get out of) is that human life simply isn't valued the same way. People are much more disposable.


Yes I agree it was the GLUTTONY of the business owners and Captains of Industry who fled into the hands of the Chinese for their slave labor and their own Corporate Profits.

Trying to gut the trade Unions in Canada and America and reduce all of us to gig economy workers. Nobody to get a living wage.

The only credit I can Give to Donald TRUMP was he called this out and was prepared to do something.


The pictures on problems at home shows an angry middle eastern man, they have been the victims of mass shootings at Mosques in Canada, street assaults not the perpetrators.

Not the perpetrators? You realize one of the largest (the largest?) mass shootings in Toronto was committed by an Islamic extremist a few years ago on the Danforth. And of course the media was quick to downplay it. The shooter had terrorist connections with family members and tons of questionable material in his possession. Same with the parliament hill shooter in 2015. Not even mentioning the numerous attacks in Europe & south of the border. These are not just because of foreign policy, but because their book literally says to kill the infidel. These are attacks on our culture & way of life. To pretend like these things are in the same conceptual universe as a random mosque shooting is ridiculous.

Don’t worry it won’t make you seem illiberal to acknowledge these realities, it will actually make you more liberal.

[Gilroy]

"because their book literally says to kill the infidel."


WRONG ONCE AGAIN.

https://www.alislam.org/articles/why...uld-be-killed/

As the link says the passage has to be kept in context with the times it was written in, just as we cannot take literally every word of the Bible.

"These are attacks on our culture & way of life."

I am pretty sure that if you lived in Bagdad when the US bombed that city, or in Afghanistan and were the innocent victim of drone strikes you might very well feel the same way.

Muslims through the world lived in harmony with the west until they were invaded by the west or Russia and that got the ball going in the modern era.

[Bushwhacker]

"because their book literally says to kill the infidel."


WRONG ONCE AGAIN.

https://www.alislam.org/articles/why...uld-be-killed/

As the link says the passage has to be kept in context with the times it was written in, just as we cannot take literally every word of the Bible.

"These are attacks on our culture & way of life."

I am pretty sure that if you lived in Bagdad when the US bombed that city, or in Afghanistan and were the innocent victim of drone strikes you might very well feel the same way.

Muslims through the world lived in harmony with the west until they were invaded by the west or Russia and that got the ball going in the modern era.

Tell that to them then.

That is not true. Islam has been at war with the West since its inception. Its founder was a pedophile warlord who killed thousands, and the Qu'ran is a military manual full of violence. They did not live in harmony with anyone, not even themselves. Simple as that.

The crusades, for example were a response to 100's of years of jihad being waged in Europe. And thank God for them...because who knows where we would be now under Islamic rule.

Ask your buddy Obama about the drone strikes, he was the drone king after all.

[mosquito]

Tell that to them then.

That is not true. Islam has been at war with the West since its inception. Its founder was a pedophile warlord who killed thousands, and the Qu'ran is a military manual full of violence. They did not live in harmony with anyone, not even themselves. Simple as that.

The crusades, for example were a response to 100's of years of jihad being waged in Europe. And thank God for them...because who knows where we would be now under Islamic rule.

Ask your buddy Obama about the drone strikes, he was the drone king after all.

For those that are interested in History this is a book that covers alot that we won't hear or people outright lie about it, like the spread into India, etc.
https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/Boo...-srp1-_-title1

An interesting side note: Vlad the impalier, the inspiration for Dracula, escaped from imprisonment and fought Islam and seems to have learned his extreme measures under Mehmed II.

A former Ahmadiyya Muslim's talking on what is the reality, they speak it themselves often but the media and left just doesn't accept it and only listen to the taquiya (lying for advantage). or their favourite part and ignore the whole. There is a huge variety in cultures, individuals and personalities in Islam and the teachings vary greatly but many only look at their favourite little piece.


"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth."
-Omar Ahmad, Co-founder of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)

Ezz Gad can be watched on Canadian television and he has said that
"Islam must not be polluted with things like democracy, socialism, capitalism etc." Reflections on Islam May 22/2016 on Canadian Vision TV Ezz E. Gad

Just look at the way the media treats a convicted terrorist like Khadr, you can see here building IEDs, many Canadian soldiers were killed by IEDs, I wonder who and how many were killed with those he built under his fathers instruction (a terrorist commander) but on CBC he gets cheered disgustingly.

[Gilroy]

Tell that to them then.

That is not true. Islam has been at war with the West since its inception. Its founder was a pedophile warlord who killed thousands, and the Qu'ran is a military manual full of violence. They did not live in harmony with anyone, not even themselves. Simple as that.

The crusades, for example were a response to 100's of years of jihad being waged in Europe. And thank God for them...because who knows where we would be now under Islamic rule.

Ask your buddy Obama about the drone strikes, he was the drone king after all.

Wrong again.

Muslims and Christians have lived side by side over the centuries in almost every country even when the Muslims were the controlling authority by conquest. Christians were allowed to practice their religion and holy placed were shared as in Jerusalem today. If your looking for
pedophiles I think the Catholic Church might be a more target rich environment.

Amazingly Obama managed to locate Bin Laden and eradicate him without a drone strike, after years of ineptitude by war mongering Republicans.