A Very Big Mistake

[mosquito]

The Muslim world was far advanced in relation to the rest of the world. Lots of reading on the net

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islami...edieval_Europe

So.... their contributions to Medieval Europe were technologies they copied and essentially items from cultures they conquered, all of which already existed in Europe. Sad some might think all that was true, their understanding of history and archaeology would have to be quite lacking, as for their navigational skill... yep the Barbary pirates (known for raiding Europe to taking many slaves and for capturing European and American merchant ships) were good navigators I can give them that and perhaps the fancy curly ques added to hand written texts (that had nothing to do with the actual letters) However their claims to improve the navigational devices is quite a delusion, when you look at what the Greeks, Romans, Phoenicians etc. were doing and something like the Antikythera mechanism that is far more advanced than any Arabic device.

I think not, if you are not open to all of history and reality you are lost. I hope you did not tax yourself writing more than a five word sentence. LOL

Resorting to insults instead of actual debate... the usual Liberal, Sad.

Your excuses for Biden are laughable. Even Biden himself has stated how much of a mistake it is to leave behind equipment. Watch and weep..lol
https://rumble.com/vovhpv-resurfaced...22lbp&mc=56yab

Sad they couldn't see that and decided to leave it all behind and ignored the implications, anyway I always love the Robin Williams video, it was the top on the right.
https://rumble.com/vn7adx-robin-will...=22lbp&mrefc=2


But it is clear that the leaving the equipment behind is a bonus for China, Russia, the Taliban and any other enemies that you can pretty much think of.
https://www.defenseone.com/technolog...ecrets/185264/
"The Taliban have highlighted their nascent partnership with China as perhaps their most important foreign diplomatic effort. China, meanwhile, has already begun giving millions in aid to the new regime.Whatever vulnerabilities China does discover will likely imperil U.S. troops for years to come, Lospinoso said. "




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Barbary Pirates
https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryU...nglish-Slaves/
"The Barbary pirates attacked and plundered not only those countries bordering the Mediterranean but as far north as the English Channel, Ireland, Scotland and Iceland, with the western coast of England almost being raided at will."
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The United States fought two wars against the Barbary States of North Africa: the First Barbary War of 1801–1805 and the Second Barbary War, 1815 – 1816. Finally after an attack by the British and Dutch in 1816 more than 4,000 Christian slaves were liberated and the power of the Barbary pirates was broken.

The history is quite dark and slavery isn't just around for those in ISIL today it seems.
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/09/i...y-saudi-arabia

[canadaman30]

It was your hero Trump that decided to cut and run, if you took all the weapons of the Afghan army they would have been dead in the water.

This is no different from the American withdrawal from Vietnam, in both cases the American public had enough and in both cases a hasty withdrawal.

Biden is the only one to blame, nobody else.
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[Gilroy]

The Muslim world was far advanced in relation to the rest of the world. Lots of reading on the net

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islami...edieval_Europe

Throughout the Middle Ages, the Muslim world was more advanced and more civilized than Christian Western Europe, which learned a huge amount from its neighbor.

The Islamic world - a more advanced civilization

Islamic World stretched from India to Spain.
Muslim traders travelled to places as far apart as the Sahara, South Africa, China, Scandinavia and Russia.
Muslims traded high-quality goods such as silk, carpets, ivory and spices.
Knowledge of science and medicine in the Islamic world was far more sophisticated than in Western Europe.
Cordoba in Muslim Spain was a city of over half a million inhabitants with street lighting and running water. At the same time 10,000 Londoners lived in timber-framed houses and used the river as their sewer.
Muslims were going to beauty parlors, using deodorants and drinking from glasses, at a time when English books of behavior were still telling page-boys not to pick their nose over their food, spit on the table, or throw uneaten food onto the floor.
Fatima Al Fihri (A Woman) founded a madrasa and university, (which just so happens to be the oldest continually running university to date), later becoming a center of advances in thought in the Islamic world.
Islamic paper makers devised assembly-line methods of hand-copying manuscripts to turn out editions far larger than any available in Europe for centuries. It was from these countries that the rest of the world learned to make paper from linen.
As the Dark Ages ravaged Europe, Islam produced countess works of art, science, literature, poetry and architecture. But you know what they say about all good things. In 1258, the Mongols sacked Baghdad and destroyed the House of Wisdom. Legend holds that so many books were thrown into the Tigris River that it ran black with ink. The Caliphate was demolished.

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They definitely mastered the bomb vest

[Gilroy]

They definitely mastered the bomb vest

Well wrong Russians first and Tiger Tamils next. Kinda does not compare to dropping A bomb's on civilians.

[trimmer21]

Well wrong Russians first and Tiger Tamils next. Kinda does not compare to dropping A bomb's on civilians.

.....or that population that invaded and resorted to massacre of 100K X that number in souteast Asia even before the US entered the war after their sneek attack on Pearl Harbor. Nice attempt at revisionist historical spin,there,brother.

[Gilroy]

.....or that population that invaded and resorted to massacre of 100K X that number in souteast Asia even before the US entered the war after their sneek attack on Pearl Harbor. Nice attempt at revisionist historical spin,there,brother.

The sneak attack on Pearl harbor was a mere copy by the Japanese on the sneak attack perpetrated by the American Navy on the Spanish fleet in Manilla Bay when the Yanks decided they wanted to be an Imperial power which is what took them to that part of the WORLD IN THE FIRST PLACE. How is that for a history lesson there brother and its not even revised.

After the Yanks beat the Spanish they then went onto kill 200,000 innocent Phillipino civilians SHAME,SHAME,

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1899-1913/war

[mosquito]

Throughout the Middle Ages, the Muslim world was more advanced and more civilized than Christian Western Europe, which learned a huge amount from its neighbor.

The Islamic world - a more advanced civilization

Islamic World stretched from India to Spain.
Muslim traders travelled to places as far apart as the Sahara, South Africa, China, Scandinavia and Russia.
Muslims traded high-quality goods such as silk, carpets, ivory and spices.
Knowledge of science and medicine in the Islamic world was far more sophisticated than in Western Europe.
Cordoba in Muslim Spain was a city of over half a million inhabitants with street lighting and running water. At the same time 10,000 Londoners lived in timber-framed houses and used the river as their sewer.
Muslims were going to beauty parlors, using deodorants and drinking from glasses, at a time when English books of behavior were still telling page-boys not to pick their nose over their food, spit on the table, or throw uneaten food onto the floor.
Fatima Al Fihri (A Woman) founded a madrasa and university, (which just so happens to be the oldest continually running university to date), later becoming a center of advances in thought in the Islamic world.
Islamic paper makers devised assembly-line methods of hand-copying manuscripts to turn out editions far larger than any available in Europe for centuries. It was from these countries that the rest of the world learned to make paper from linen.
As the Dark Ages ravaged Europe, Islam produced countess works of art, science, literature, poetry and architecture. But you know what they say about all good things. In 1258, the Mongols sacked Baghdad and destroyed the House of Wisdom. Legend holds that so many books were thrown into the Tigris River that it ran black with ink. The Caliphate was demolished.

Uh.... so by providing goods made in China and Japan they contributed is your logic then. Yes, it went from India to Spain... through invasion killing and enslaving tens of millions. The Umayyad Muslims in Spain did build alot, the Berber migration also greatly increased their populatoin but those not of the privileged class the dhimmis (non Muslims) as 2nd or 3rd class (Indian Hindus were this class) with no rights or freedoms. The inhabitants in their conquest were usually given the choices of convert, pay the jizyah tax or be enslaved/die.

https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/Boo...-srp1-_-title1


As for the other items...traders enjoying wealth, not creating new things, Roman cities had running water a millennium and Mesopotamia, India and other ancient civilizations had sewars etc too and when you want to build it helps when you have massacred the unskilled men, enslaved the women and enslaved the craftsmen. So is your appeal based on the fact that they had absolute power, enslaved their opponents and had harems?

Resellers living on profits with slaves copying older ideas. Now as for their power, the book above actually takes from their own writings where they describe massacres, wars and the number of slaves taken. The Islamic slave trade actually far far exceeded the American one in African slaves according to historic records... but when you castrate all the males etc. unlike what happened in the US it does tend to eliminate the 2nd generation. I have already mentioned the more modern slavery and Barbary piracy (slavery is still existing actually in some Islamic countries).

" While most slaves who went to the Americas could marry and have families, most of the male slaves destined for the Middle East were castrated, and most of the children born to the women were killed at birth.

It is estimated that possibly as many as 11 million Africans were transported across the Atlantic (95% of which went to South and Central America, mainly to Portuguese, Spanish and French possessions. Only 5% of the slaves went to the United States).

African Slaves
However, at least 28 million Africans were enslaved in the Muslim Middle East. Since at least 80% of those captured by Muslim slave traders were calculated to have died before reaching the slave markets, it is believed that the death toll from 1400 years of Muslim slave raids into Africa could have been over 112 million. When added to the number of those sold in the slave markets, the total number of African victims of the Trans Saharan and East African slave trade could be significantly higher than 140 million people. "

They definitely mastered the bomb vest

The Chinese used it first to my knowledge in WW2 against Japanese tanks, then the next significant usages of that weapon are probably Hezzbullah and Hamas. Their religion does have a tendency that way, even get the word assassin from the Shia killers.

The Kamikaze were not the first to use the suicide tactic but did put it in a planned tactic rather than an I'm taking them with me desperation tactic. The tactic was often not good for much in the end, the explosives lacked the quantity, the speed, armour piercing and other qualities that would worked better militarily.
https://worldwarwings.com/japanese-p...-embarrassing/

The "Palestinians" (name claimed by terrorist leader Arafat in 1960s) used it to attack civilian targets and we can see that in attacks on buses that often killed many children. Vehicles are another suicide bombers favourite to attack civilians with and this example was used in Syria.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39613313


Desperation makes some make choices that otherwise would be unreasonable, while Hamas's leaders used others to die so they could make more money and create more hate. Just look how wealthy Arafat and other Hamas leaders have been, an interesting read and listen to is Mosab Yousef the son of one of the founders of Hamas.

Desperation


Hate based / terrorism

[trimmer21]

The sneak attack on Pearl harbor was a mere copy by the Japanese on the sneak attack perpetrated by the American Navy on the Spanish fleet in Manilla Bay when the Yanks decided they wanted to be an Imperial power which is what took them to that part of the WORLD IN THE FIRST PLACE. How is that for a history lesson there brother and its not even revised.

After the Yanks beat the Spanish they then went onto kill 200,000 innocent Phillipino civilians SHAME,SHAME,

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1899-1913/war

Which has nothing to do with Japanese aggression preceeding WW2. America was at war with Spain after Spain attacked 40 years previous. Let's compare apples with apples,shall we?

[Gilroy]

mosquito Uh.... so by providing goods made in China and Japan they contributed is your logic then. Yes, it went from India to Spain... through invasion killing and enslaving tens of millions. The inhabitants were given the choices of convert, pay the jizyah tax or be enslaved/die.

Reply. Well in order to TRADE they had to have goods TO TRADE WITH, please read the link properly.

Conquered people were killed as in any wars and as you are a great fan of the Greeks, you would know that Alexander The Not So Great did exactly the same thing.

Reply. Conquered people were given the choice to pay the tax, which most of them did and practiced their religion right alongside the Muslims.


As for the other items... it helps when you have massacred the men, enslaved the women and the craftsmen. So is your appeal based on the fact that they had absolute power, enslaved their opponents and had harems?

Reply. I think having a harem, one would be a glutton for punishment and its a singular unattractive proposition. IMHO. Absolute power has been exercised by all conquers, Nazi over Jews in WW2.


While most slaves who went to the Americas could marry and have families, most of the male slaves destined for the Middle East were castrated, and most of the children born to the women were killed at birth.

Reply. I have not seen to many happily married couples photographs on American plantation, have you?

It is estimated that possibly as many as 11 million Africans were transported across the Atlantic (95% of which went to South and Central America, mainly to Portuguese, Spanish and French possessions. Only 5% of the slaves went to the United States).

Reply. Your point is?

African Slaves
However, at least 28 million Africans were enslaved in the Muslim Middle East. Since at least 80% of those captured by Muslim slave traders were calculated to have died before reaching the slave markets, it is believed that the death toll from 1400 years of Muslim slave raids into Africa could have been over 112 million. When added to the number of those sold in the slave markets, the total number of African victims of the Trans Saharan and East African slave trade could be significantly higher than 140 million people. "

Reply. Given that many would have been forced to march over hot arid lands and over a much longer time period higher death rate would be expected.





The Chinese used it first to my knowledge in WW2 against Japanese tanks, then the next significant usages of that weapon are probably Hezzbullah and Hamas. Their religion does have a tendency that way, even get the word assassin from the Shia killers.

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