Ontario gunsmith shot and killed by police

[Bushmoose]

Oh, they are held to a higher standard. But they still are afforded the same rights against self-incrimination as any citizen…..

So this officer is in jail awaiting the outcome of the investigation? As the article says, it's a criminal investigation and we all know where a civilian would be awaiting his/her fate.

[Badenoch]

So this officer is in jail awaiting the outcome of the investigation? As the article says, it's a criminal investigation and we all know where a civilian would be awaiting his/her fate.

Not until charges are laid and so far none have. A civilian wouldn't be in jail either unless charged.

Even though police are held to a "higher standard" they should not have the right to self-incriminate taken away. It's not all that hard to argue that PAL holders are held to a "higher standard" too.

[Bushmoose]

Not until charges are laid and so far none have. A civilian wouldn't be in jail either unless charged.

Even though police are held to a "higher standard" they should not have the right to self-incriminate taken away. It's not all that hard to argue that PAL holders are held to a "higher standard" too.

Ok, I'll agree somewhat. However, and I'm sure you'll agree, it most likely would not take 3-5 months of "investigation" to lay charges, if wrongdoing was found or seriously suspected? And in the meantime, the citizen would be spread open in the media like a filet of fish! Name, age, etc etc.... Also, I'm fairly confident this officer would not have been sweated out in the interogation room with his superiors standing by hoping for a statement of some sort? He would have expressed his desire to not speak and then sent away to plan a defense with his lawyer.

[gbk]

After reading these post-one question comes to my mind: why do we actually have the SIU?

I mean-we are told, for investigating circumstances involving police ,that have resulted in a death or serious injury, or if a firearm was discharged at a person. Also alleged sexual conducts.
This is all fine and dandy-but if they investigate ,for a sake of investigating -without much teeth in their investigation ,why we need them?

Did they ever came up in their investigation with anything "worthy "for the average citizen?To shed lights on the real truth?

[trimmer21]

After reading these post-one question comes to my mind: why do we actually have the SIU?

I mean-we are told, for investigating circumstances involving police ,that have resulted in a death or serious injury, or if a firearm was discharged at a person. Also alleged sexual conducts.
This is all fine and dandy-but if they investigate ,for a sake of investigating -without much teeth in their investigation ,why we need them?

Did they ever came up in their investigation with anything "worthy "for the average citizen?To shed lights on the real truth?

Don't ever be under the misunderstanding that the SIU has no teeth. Their investigative powers are immense. Remember,they're not the Police. They're lawyers with a huge mandate. The only Police they use are intial investigators unattached to any police service to avoid any semblance of conflict of interest. They can make the bulldogs at Professional Standards look like pikers.

[mosquito]

Ian gives it a look at the "weird things" ... outside area, brought an ambulance, didn't leave warrant...

[sidelock]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamil...b8YgV83ChkcX4s

[delmer]

So, in a nutshell, the cops from another region show up unannounced, shoot a man dead, pack up and leave, and the victim's family is told that the police will get back to them is a few months with the details. How can this be considered acceptable? It boggles my mind that in this country this is a legitimate way for the authorities to operate. Sounds like something you read about in some Carribean or Central American country.

[trimmer21]

So, in a nutshell, the cops from another region show up unannounced, shoot a man dead, pack up and leave, and the victim's family is told that the police will get back to them is a few months with the details. How can this be considered acceptable? It boggles my mind that in this country this is a legitimate way for the authorities to operate. Sounds like something you read about in some Carribean or Central American country.

If this falls through the cracks and they get away with it,this type of thing will become common place. Canada is in serious trouble.

[johnjyb]

And remember they even brought their own ambulance with them so that the local medical emergency teams wouldn't be over-worked. Very thoughtful.
John