Ontario gunsmith shot and killed by police

[stragglelake]

I certainly don’t support this! What I do support is waiting until a proper investigation is completed, rather than sitting around making suppositions. Unless you were there, you have no idea what took place. It’s the SIUs job to sort that out, and they will do that. I can guarantee it won’t be on the timelines that some here want.
As far as your remark about the “blue line”…. You better believe it !!! Be damned thankful there is a “blue line” out there, pounding the pavement while your sorry arse is in bed all nice and cozy !!

Well that’s sounds like a good enough reason not to trust the process!!! …. Maybe some anger management?!?!


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Well that’s sounds like a good enough reason not to trust the process!!! …. Maybe some anger management?!?!


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No anger here, just stating a fact !

[ysyg]

Well, as I assumed both retired LEOs have responded and both have done so in an honourable fashion. But, this being an open forum we are all entitled to discuss our thoughts. Why would they not notify the local police before? Why would they try to issue a warrant in a shop that contains firearms and ammo? Why did they bring an ambulance and team of officers? Was he a threat to the publics safety right at that time? I feel they wanted him dead and therefore silenced. If not, they are an extremely incompetent group. Either way, it wasn’t handled properly.

[Goosechsr]

You are way off base with this assumption.

I feel there will be major fallout as a result of this massive breach of SOP.

You are spot on..... there will be major fallout, just as there was in Caledonia when the officers stood by and watched criminals seize and destroy property. NOTHING was done other than to sweep all garbage under the rug.

[dilly]

Caledonia is not a fair comparison. That was not swept under a rug either. The leader of the protest was charged and convicted. The courts just overturned his sentence. Nothing to do with police or the SIU.

I agree it it was not what most wanted to see happen there, but that is a no-win for police. If they act, they will be crucified by politicians for political gain regardless of how well they handle it.

[Goosechsr]

Caledonia is not a fair comparison. That was not swept under a rug either. The leader of the protest was charged and convicted. The courts just overturned his sentence. Nothing to do with police or the SIU.

I agree it it was not what most wanted to see happen there, but that is a no-win for police. If they act, they will be crucified by politicians for political gain regardless of how well they handle it.

Absolutely a fair comparison........The police failed to act. They didn't handle it, they stood by and the people that they are paid to serve and protect had they're lives ravaged. The people responsible were never punished, sorry. Convicted of what ? Served what time ?

You yourself say that " if they act " I'm sorry ...... they are paid well to " act". That means do they're job. Caledonia had everything to do with the Police - They stood by and watched it happen. Thgey failed to protect the innocent. This gunsmith had a right to protection as well. Innocent until proven guilty, and the police DO NOT have a right to superceed this where they feel just in breaking the law.
Exactly like Caledonia this will disappear from the news. The victims forgotten, the police collecting a pay cheque.

DISGUSTING

[dilly]

Absolutely a fair comparison........The police failed to act. They didn't handle it, they stood by and the people that they are paid to serve and protect had they're lives ravaged. The people responsible were never punished, sorry. Convicted of what ? Served what time ?

You yourself say that " if they act " I'm sorry ...... they are paid well to " act". That means do they're job. Caledonia had everything to do with the Police - They stood by and watched it happen. Thgey failed to protect the innocent. This gunsmith had a right to protection as well. Innocent until proven guilty, and the police DO NOT have a right to superceed this where they feel just in breaking the law.
Exactly like Caledonia this will disappear from the news. The victims forgotten, the police collecting a pay cheque.

DISGUSTING

Wrong. The actions in Caledonia were made by high-ranking officers and lawyers who had the luxury of mulling it over and debating outcomes. Caledonia is NOT a police problem, it is a federal government problem they are pawning off on the police. The incident in Norfolk was an individual officer making a split second decision and being put into a situation that, it would appear, did not have to happen.

Apples and oranges.

Regarding the police doing nothing in Caledonia; if you look on google, you will see 24 people were charged for mischief (property damage) and disobeying the court order to leave. Many had their charges dropped after they paid restitution. This has nothing to do with police. Some are still before the courts. They were charged with little or no fan-fare to avoid a media circus. Prudent decision IMO.

[Badenoch]

Wrong. The actions in Caledonia were made by high-ranking officers and lawyers who had the luxury of mulling it over and debating outcomes. Caledonia is NOT a police problem, it is a federal government problem they are pawning off on the police. The incident in Norfolk was an individual officer making a split second decision and being put into a situation that, it would appear, did not have to happen.

Apples and oranges.

Regarding the police doing nothing; if you look on google, you will see 24 people were charged for mischief (property damage) and disobeying the court order to leave. Many had their charges dropped after they paid restitution. This has nothing to do with police. Some are still before the courts. They were charged with little or no fan-fare to avoid a media circus. Prudent decision IMO.

Not just the federal government. The provincial government of Dalton McGuinty carries much of the responsibility too. McGuinty's people were calling the shots and with Ipperwash a recent memory no OPP commander on site was going to risk being hung out to dry by the Ontario Liberals.

[ysyg]

Not just the federal government. The provincial government of Dalton McGuinty carries much of the responsibility too. McGuinty's people were calling the shots and with Ipperwash a recent memory no OPP commander on site was going to risk being hung out to dry by the Ontario Liberals.

Just to be clear, Mike Harris was the premier at the time of the Ipperwash saga. Around the same time that he leased out the hwy407 and broke up Ontario Hydro

[Badenoch]

Just to be clear, Mike Harris was the premier at the time of the Ipperwash saga. Around the same time that he leased out the hwy407 and broke up Ontario Hydro

It was the Liberal government of Dalton McGuinty who called the inquiry into the Ipperwash events and pulling the strings in Caledonia.