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January 9th, 2022, 11:28 AM
#31
just to keep the record straight who commits mass murder in the U.S. :
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January 9th, 2022 11:28 AM
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January 9th, 2022, 11:51 AM
#32

Originally Posted by
Badenoch
The societal issues are not an excuse for a Michigan gun owner who bought a handgun and left it within easy reach of a kid that he knew had some serious emotional issues.
I think breakdown of family values nails that one. Just my opinion, but if I value my child, I take steps to protect them.
John
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January 9th, 2022, 12:24 PM
#33
And I totally agree that in your opinion you think family values are just a "cliche" and I will not try to change your personal values. I just choose to think differently.
John
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January 9th, 2022, 12:25 PM
#34

Originally Posted by
johnjyb
I think breakdown of family values nails that one. Just my opinion, but if I value my child, I take steps to protect them.
John
The "breakdown of family values" is not an excuse for a gun owner who leaves a pistol in a bed side table where his emotionally troubled son can easily find it.
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January 9th, 2022, 12:28 PM
#35
Not interested in arguing as I don't have all facts you do.
John
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January 9th, 2022, 01:56 PM
#36

Originally Posted by
Badenoch
The parents who attempted to flee in the aftermath of the shooting and are currently cooling their heels in a Michigan jail because they can't afford the half-million dollar bond can try and sell that sob story to a judge.
It’s not so much about the gun being potentially accessible to the kid in the home that I find troubling. If the parents deserve to be faulted, it would be for not seeing that the kid was institutionalize and being professional treated for his mental illness. For that they perhaps should get to wear the involuntary manslaughter charges.
You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
-Gun Nut
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January 9th, 2022, 02:04 PM
#37

Originally Posted by
Gun Nut
For that they perhaps should get to wear the involuntary manslaughter charges.
Sort of a twist on the old adage.."Visit the Sins of the Fathers on the Children"
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January 9th, 2022, 02:53 PM
#38

Originally Posted by
Badenoch
The parents who attempted to flee in the aftermath of the shooting and are currently cooling their heels in a Michigan jail because they can't afford the half-million dollar bond can try and sell that sob story to a judge.
It’s not so much about the gun being potentially accessible to the kid in the home that I find troubling. If the parents deserve to be faulted, it would be for not seeing that the kid was institutionalize and being professional treated for his mental illness. For that they perhaps should get to wear the involuntary manslaughter charges.
You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
-Gun Nut
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January 9th, 2022, 03:13 PM
#39

Originally Posted by
MikePal
Sort of a twist on the old adage.."Visit the Sins of the Fathers on the Children"

Well MikePal I just get tied of people blaming the problem on the security or accessibility of the gun, and failing to deal with individual behind it, who can have many other avenues to carry out his nefarious endeavours. It maybe fortunate that he didn't try to chain the exits and uses a Molotov cocktail to burn the school down.
You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut
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January 9th, 2022, 04:45 PM
#40
Well I'll tell why society is heading down the crapper - is isn't only my opinion - it's fact - I've lived through it - can sum the whole problem with one word - God - back in the 40s and 50s the majority of people believed in God and that they will have to give an account to Him when they die - a certain moral standard was expected of people - there was right and wrong - but what happened - kids were taught in school that they and everything around them was just an accident - they didn't really have any worthwhile meaning to life - everything was accepted - no right or wrong - do what you want - as long as you don't get caught - and if your rich or powerful enough you don't pay any price even if your caught - things that were considered shameful is now accepted as normal - the result is divorce, sexual perversion, abortions, murder, drugs , adultery - on and on - your wasting your time trying to correct things until it is recognized that there is an holy God who expects you to live within certain given guidelines - and there is an eternal purpose to one's life - that sums up the reason things are going down the tubes -