The Vilification of the Unvaccinated

[impact]

Which path to you wish to follow?

[Birdbuff]

Which path to you wish to follow?

Instead of facts you bring fairytales. Memes are cool, but seriously if you are going to call me out on my math, explain to me how I’m wrong.

[impact]

Instead of facts you bring fairytales. Memes are cool, but seriously if you are going to call me out on my math, explain to me how I’m wrong.

Number 3

[FishHog]

Do you purposefully argue the numbers to stir the pot or what?

If 9 out of 10 people in Ontario are vaccinated (90%) and the icu has a 50/50 of unvaccinated to vaccinated ratio that would mean that the unvaccinated represent a higher likeliness of being in the ICU, regardless of the total number of patients currently in the icu.

10 people total

9 are vaccinate ————- 1 is not
- ICU is currently reporting a near 50% split between the 2 groups
- therefore the only unvaccinated person is in the ICU along with 1 of the 9 vaccinated.

Am I incorrect?

By my math your absolutely correct. I don’t see what the others see in those numbers

I’m not promoting to get vaxed if you don’t want to whatsoever but when it’s roughly a 50/50 split in the icu but 82% vaccinated there is clearly a benefit there

Please explain what you guys see differently.

[MikePal]

In our health care system all patients are equal. In the ICU, in particular, there is no judgment as to why a person is there. Whether it was due to long term illness due to genetic defects or long-term use of drugs like alcohol. You are ‘sick’ and they take care of you. That is the law.

Whether two of the six patients are vaccinated or not is not a consideration….if they test positive for the virus they are in isolation and treated accordingly.

As it stands now statistically over 55% (and rising) testing positive in the ICU happen to be fully vaccinated, but is irrelevant because the other 45% are unvaccinated. All the staff sees is that they're Covid patients where the virus has exacerbated one or more of their comorbidity issues.


The vaxxed vs unvaxxed issue is purely a political wedge, being used for the sole purpose to manipulate the public into getting vaccinated. In the case of Hospitalizations, it backfired when the vaccine failed to prevent the vaccinated from becoming infected and seeking medical care. What was..”see what happens if you don’t’ get vaccinated” has turned into .."it doesn’t matter if you're vaccinated you can still get infected”

All in all , the whole ICU crisis issue is full-blown MSM hyperbole.

Facts:

Ontario has also built unprecedented hospital capacity since the start of the pandemic, including $5.1 billion to add 3,100 beds across the province for a total of approximately 17,000 medical and surgical beds. Through additional investments, the province now has a total of 2,436 adult and paediatric ICU beds. Approximately 600 ICU beds remain available today, with the ability to add nearly 500 additional beds if required.

Fact: at the peak of the Omicron wave..In Ontario.. there were 558 Covid patients in the ICU’s. Both Ottawa and Toronto ICU's are at at 74% occupancy.

[Bushwhacker]

In our health care system all patients are equal. In the ICU, in particular, there is no judgment as to why a person is there. Whether it was due to long term illness due to genetic defects or long-term use of drugs like alcohol. You are ‘sick’ and they take care of you. That is the law.

Whether two of the six patients are vaccinated or not is not a consideration….if they test positive for the virus they are in isolation and treated accordingly.

As it stands now statistically over 55% (and rising) testing positive in the ICU happen to be fully vaccinated, but is irrelevant because the other 45% are unvaccinated. All the staff sees is that there are Covid patients where the virus has exacerbated one or more of their comorbidity issues.


The vaxxed vs unvaxxed issue is purely a political wedge, being used for the sole purpose to manipulate the public into getting vaccinated. In the case of Hospitalizations, it backfired when the vaccine failed to prevent the vaccinated from becoming infected and seeking medical care. What was..”see what happens if you don’t’ get vaccinated” has turned into .."it doesn’t matter if you're vaccinated you can still get infected”

All in all , the whole ICU crisis issue is full-blown MSM hyperbole.

Facts:

Ontario has also built unprecedented hospital capacity since the start of the pandemic, including $5.1 billion to add 3,100 beds across the province for a total of approximately 17,000 medical and surgical beds. Through additional investments, the province now has a total of 2,436 adult and paediatric ICU beds. Approximately 600 ICU beds remain available today, with the ability to add nearly 500 additional beds if required.

Fact. at the peak of the Omicron wave..In Ontario.. there were 558 Covid patients in the ICU’s

Well said.

If you talk to doctors or those working in health care they will tell you our system has been operating at capacity many years prior to covid, and there are politically incorrect (but nevertheless correct) reasons for this.

If the hospitals were in such a sudden crisis why would they be firing nurses for wrongthink? Same with EMS, police, etc.

We know the majority of deaths were from elderly people who exceeded the average life expectancy in the country. The ICU #'s were higher because many LTC patients were waiting to be transferred and took up the ICU beds that would have been occupied by more short term patients. There were comorbidity issues they didn't publish or discuss. They admitted to severely inflating the covid death #'s, have admitted the vaccines aren't as effective as we were all promised, and have admitted too many shots can harm your natural immune system.

And again those with 2 shots are in the same boat as those with 0 -- not considered fully vaccinated. Trudeau just ordered another 100 million doses...

The narrative has crumbled completely and now they've shifted to one single point: think of the ICU capacity!

[FishHog]

In our health care system all patients are equal. In the ICU, in particular, there is no judgment as to why a person is there. Whether it was due to long term illness due to genetic defects or long-term use of drugs like alcohol. You are ‘sick’ and they take care of you. That is the law.

Whether two of the six patients are vaccinated or not is not a consideration….if they test positive for the virus they are in isolation and treated accordingly.

As it stands now statistically over 55% (and rising) testing positive in the ICU happen to be fully vaccinated, but is irrelevant because the other 45% are unvaccinated. All the staff sees is that they're Covid patients where the virus has exacerbated one or more of their comorbidity issues.


The vaxxed vs unvaxxed issue is purely a political wedge, being used for the sole purpose to manipulate the public into getting vaccinated. In the case of Hospitalizations, it backfired when the vaccine failed to prevent the vaccinated from becoming infected and seeking medical care. What was..”see what happens if you don’t’ get vaccinated” has turned into .."it doesn’t matter if you're vaccinated you can still get infected”

All in all , the whole ICU crisis issue is full-blown MSM hyperbole.

Facts:

Ontario has also built unprecedented hospital capacity since the start of the pandemic, including $5.1 billion to add 3,100 beds across the province for a total of approximately 17,000 medical and surgical beds. Through additional investments, the province now has a total of 2,436 adult and paediatric ICU beds. Approximately 600 ICU beds remain available today, with the ability to add nearly 500 additional beds if required.

Fact: at the peak of the Omicron wave..In Ontario.. there were 558 Covid patients in the ICU’s. Both Ottawa and Toronto ICU's are at at 74% occupancy.

I agree 100% with all of that.

Still there is less chance statistically of ending up in the ICU if your vaccinated. Which the numbers you posted prove, so I'm still confused as to why you disagreed with me earlier on that point.
Its just numbers, they aren't political, but they do still show a trend for those who want to take that extra precaution.
I'm not into the vax/unvax thing, but I do like to look at the stats and see what they show.
Its not an arguement to discuss the stats, or an attack on anyone if the stats show something other than what you want them to.
Everything you posted above can be true, even with what I'm saying being true. It doesn't have to be a one or the other.
Anyway, I'm not here to argue, I enjoy reading peoples opinions, and understand that they vary but I'm also a statistical guy and look at those also.

Despite the gov't being slow to react to the fact that omicron is making the vax a pretty moot point, most of the people are understanding it and the gov't will soon have to accept the stats as well.

[cramadog2]

From 2 days ago Ontario stats

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMLeNsWUL/

[impact]

From 2 days ago Ontario stats

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMLeNsWUL/

Who can spin stats anyway you want. Her baseline is people over 30. She makes no mention of comorbidities.
As you get older this increases.
At the end of the day, it makes no difference if you are vaxxed or unvaxxed. The people with pre-existing conditions are most at risk.

This, is what they don't want you to know!

[GloHole]

I agree 100% with all of that.

Still there is less chance statistically of ending up in the ICU if your vaccinated. Which the numbers you posted prove, so I'm still confused as to why you disagreed with me earlier on that point.
Its just numbers, they aren't political, but they do still show a trend for those who want to take that extra precaution.
I'm not into the vax/unvax thing, but I do like to look at the stats and see what they show.
Its not an arguement to discuss the stats, or an attack on anyone if the stats show something other than what you want them to.
Everything you posted above can be true, even with what I'm saying being true. It doesn't have to be a one or the other.
Anyway, I'm not here to argue, I enjoy reading peoples opinions, and understand that they vary but I'm also a statistical guy and look at those also.

Despite the gov't being slow to react to the fact that omicron is making the vax a pretty moot point, most of the people are understanding it and the gov't will soon have to accept the stats as well.

There are lies, damn lies, and statistics. Let's examine the statistics closely.

77.6% of the population that is eligible to receive the "vaccine" is considered fully vaxxed (2 or more doses) not 90%

5-19 yearolds who have about a 0.0004% chance of ending up in hospital or ICU make up 16% of the population, approximately 10% of them are fully vaxxed.

If we remove the 10% of the population that is vaxxed but was never at risk of a negative outcome from the 77.6% of the fully vaxxed we end up with a more accurate 67.6% demographic of who is fully vaxxed with the potential to end up in the hospital and ICU.

Another fun fact is that for the "vaccine" to be approved under it's emergency use application it had to meet a benchmark of atleast 50% efficacy which it clearly does not when you take the above factors into account, this is how and why they are deceiving us.
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