Ontario gunsmith shot and killed by police

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[werner.reiche]

There is no conflict whatsoever. There are no Charter rights infringed by any issues related to vaccinations or the lack thereof until which time a court rules on them.

In 1996, it was determined that mandatory vaccines were an infringement on the chart of rights. Nothing has changed related to this since then.
What the provinces are questioning now is if that infringement can be justified, which would allow them to go ahead with mandates.

[MikePal]

There is no conflict whatsoever. There are no Charter rights infringed by any issues related to vaccinations or the lack thereof until which time a court rules on them.

The fact it will be before the courts...is proof they have been infringed upon....the question is, was it illegal.

[rick_iles]

The fact it will be before the courts...is proof they have been infringed upon....the question is, was it illegal.

The courts will no doubt decide if there was an infringement, and if so was it justified. There are many cases where courts have decided there was infringement, but that it was justified and allowed to stand.

This thread took a hard right turn !!

[Fox]

Charter rights trump transparency.

There are actually no Charter Rights that cannot be taken away, period, here is the first section which allows any and all "rights" to be taken away.

"1 The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society."

[Gun Nut]

Given what we already know and his refusal to speak with SIU, why hasn't he been arrested and charged?
He went to a man's house and shot him dead. If I did that, I know where I would be spending Christmas.

I've tune in a bit late, I recalled the episode, and everyone seems to have done due diligent in examining what has happen. However I've not seen or perhaps have missed where anyone has raised the issue of why the Toronto Police may have wanted the gunsmith dead, so they set up something of a legal approach to kill him. Maybe the Toronto Police were attempting to cover up some activity of theirs that the gunsmith new about. Who was on the hook, or what might have been done that the Toronto Police may have attempted to cover up by removing the gunsmith. Had he done something for them, that they didn't wanted anyone to find out about? What can I say I have a suspicious mine.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

[rick_iles]

I've tune in a bit late, I recalled the episode, and everyone seems to have done due diligent in examining what has happen. However I've not seen or perhaps have missed where anyone has raised the issue of why the Toronto Police may have wanted the gunsmith dead, so they set up something of a legal approach to kill him. Maybe the Toronto Police were attempting to cover up some activity of theirs that the gunsmith new about. Who was on the hook, or what might have been done that the Toronto Police may have attempted to cover up by removing the gunsmith. Had he done something for them, that they didn't wanted anyone to find out about? What can I say I have a suspicious mine.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

You also watch too much TV !!!

[johnjyb]

With the apparent lack of information from the shooters side of the story, we can only guess at what happened, but police actions in this case are very suspect with what info is available and not becoming any clearer with time.
John

[johnjyb]

And just how many search warrants have TPS served in the last 5 years where they brought there own ambulance as part of the response team???
John

[MikePal]

No doubt they'll get a hefty settlement from the Police Services....wonder if in Ontario they can also go after the officer who pulled the trigger in a Civil suit .