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    Quote Originally Posted by Badenoch View Post
    I'm quite familiar with the vaccination and other requirements for cross-border travel as I've lived with them for many months.

    I'm also familiar with what a federally-regulated industry is. Federally-regulated industries do not amount to anywhere near 99.9% of the country. The federally-regulated private sector is under a million.

    https://www.canada.ca/en/employment-...te-sector.html



    The vaccine mandates do not require a vote as they are regulations passed by Cabinet under existing laws.
    Well you are looking at the wrong list, it is not the private sector it is any Federally regulated sector.

    https://www.canada.ca/en/services/jo...ndustries.html

    Notice that is says "any business that is vital, essential or integral to the operation of one of the above activities", which is open to interpretation.

    I am pretty sure that farmers are "essential or integral to the operation of" "grain elevators, feed and seed mills, feed warehouses and grain-seed cleaning plants "

    Therefore every farmer is now on that list.

    Notice that federally regulated also includes

    "railways that cross provincial or international borders and some short-line railways
    road transportation services, including trucks and buses, that cross provincial or international borders"

    Therefore every truck driver, maintenance worker for those trucks, etc, are all essential to that industry and as long as they cross a provincial border they are federally regulated.

    I know I have posted this before and I do not expect you to read any of it, but I might as well post it for those who are open to actually looking at what is being mandated in Canada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fox View Post
    Well you are looking at the wrong list, it is not the private sector it is any Federally regulated sector.

    https://www.canada.ca/en/services/jo...ndustries.html

    Notice that is says "any business that is vital, essential or integral to the operation of one of the above activities", which is open to interpretation.

    I am pretty sure that farmers are "essential or integral to the operation of" "grain elevators, feed and seed mills, feed warehouses and grain-seed cleaning plants "

    Therefore every farmer is now on that list.

    Notice that federally regulated also includes

    "railways that cross provincial or international borders and some short-line railways
    road transportation services, including trucks and buses, that cross provincial or international borders"

    Therefore every truck driver, maintenance worker for those trucks, etc, are all essential to that industry and as long as they cross a provincial border they are federally regulated.

    I know I have posted this before and I do not expect you to read any of it, but I might as well post it for those who are open to actually looking at what is being mandated in Canada.
    The total number of employees in the federally-regulated private sector doesn't come anywhere near 99.9% as shown in my previous post. It's less than 10% of the total workforce. The rest are provincially regulated.

    Farmers are not covered under the legislation unless they are directly employed by a grain processing or storage facility. Similarly people who work in truck plants are not covered by federal legislation simply because the trucks they make then go on to companies that are federally regulated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Badenoch View Post
    We don't disagree that it is now time to move on and hope a more severe variant does not strike.

    What we should also hope is that Doug Ford is still the Premier this fall. Ford's a long way from perfect but Del Duca and/or Horwath, if elected, would be more likely to lockdown than Ford.
    Well I agree with you that both the opposition would probably have locked down more than Doug, but remember he and the Solicitor General were going to bring in some pretty draconian measures until the Police Services said they would refuse to carry out their mandate and they withdrew.

    I was not a big fan of Doug when he first came into power but I think he has performed pretty good over this difficult period and I would have no problem voting for him.

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    Thanks for the write up mikepal. The end is definitely near.

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    We could have opened earlier.

    Quote Originally Posted by bester View Post
    The non vaccinated should thank the vaccinated for the reopening. I know they will never admit it but without the vaccinattion we would still be in some kind of lockdown.
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    Actually my life style has never changed. I have been doing all the same things since before Covid in all honesty nothing changed for me. Actually I can work from home more.
    "This is about unenforceable registration of weapons that violates the rights of people to own firearms."—Premier Ralph Klein (Alberta)Calgary Herald, 1998 October 9 (November 1, 1942 – March 29, 2013) OFAH Member

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    apparently pat kings lawyer was arguing that his client is fearful he's gonna catch covid in overcrowed jail awaiting bail

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    Quote Originally Posted by warningshot View Post
    apparently pat kings lawyer was arguing that his client is fearful he's gonna catch covid in overcrowed jail awaiting bail
    Can confirm. Not only is Pat King scared of COVID he's now trying to claim he's indigenous.

    https://www.sootoday.com/local-news/...d-jail-5106062

    Pat King worries about catching COVID-19 in an overcrowded jail
    Lawyer representing the former Saultite warns about King's risk of getting jailhouse COVID
    David Helwig
    2 days ago

    Pat King, the former Saultite fighting against COVID restrictions, has a new concern.

    Speaking on behalf of his client at last week's unsuccessful bail application, King's lawyer Cal Rosemond revealed worries the self-declared "investigative journalist" and convoy organizer might catch COVID-19 during what could well be an extended stay behind bars.

    Denied bail on Friday, King must now await trial in a jail cell on charges of mischief, counselling to commit mischief, counselling to disobey a court order and counselling to obstruct police, all in relation to the Ottawa protests.

    Barring a successful appeal of the bail decision, King is expected to be incarcerated for months.

    Rosemond, the Toronto-based human rights advocate who also represents well-known anti-masker Chris (Sky) Saccoccia, tried last week to use King's risk of catching jailhouse COVID to argue for his release awaiting trial.

    If King contracted the virus, he might spend more time incarcerated than he'd be likely to get on the four mischief-related charges, Rosemond argued.

    That, he said, would bring the administration of justice into disrepute.

    Andrew Seymour, the presiding justice of the peace at King's bail hearing, didn't buy Rosemond's argument and perceived a bit of situational irony.

    "It is somewhat ironic that an individual whose raison d'etre is to protest vehemently against public health measures designed to reduce the spread of COVID, would now suggest that the delay or the potential for being infected at a detention centre could impact the court's decision [on bail]," said Seymour.

    "I put little weight on the submission," the justice added.

    "Counsel for Mr. King further argued that detention [for purposes of maintaining confidence in the administration of justice] should not be considered given the potential for Mr. King to serve a lengthier sentence awaiting trial than he would receive should he be found guilty."

    Instead, Justice Seymour ruled the opposite, that releasing King would itself cause the court to be disrespected.

    "A reasonable person, properly informed, will lose confidence in the administration of justice should Mr. King be released," Seymour ruled.

    Is King indigenous?

    In another ruling of local interest made during last week's bail hearing, Justice Seymour declined to consider any unique systemic or background factors that may have played a part in bringing King before the courts, even though Rosemond indicated he had some knowledge of King's supposed indigenous heritage.

    King has variously referred to being Métis, to having roots in Garden River First Nation, and to having family in Thessalon First Nation, which he curiously described as being part of the Garden River treaty reserve.

    Garden River Chief Andy Rickard tells SooToday King "has no ties to Garden River," while local Métis tell us King does not qualify for membership in Métis Nation of Ontario.

    During a video livestream made when the convoy approached Sault Ste. Marie on Jan. 27, King talked about wanting to take the trucks through Garden River.

    However, Chief Rickard tells SooToday that King was denied permission to do that.

    "We do not condone nor do we support what has happened," Chief Rickard said.

    "In fact we rerouted the convoy from coming through our community to the outside perimeter."

    "We also refused to accommodate the convoy from parking in and around any of our facilities or parking lots."

    "I had our police redirect. It all worked out at the time," Rickard said.

    Thessalon First Nation did not respond to a SooToday request for information about King's status there, but King has talked about difficulties posed by the absence of his father being named on his birth documents.

    "There was no evidence or submissions, on the exact nature of Mr. King's indigenous background," Seymour said.

    The only evidence suggesting King is indigenous, the justice said, was a video filed as part of the Crown's submissions to the court, in which King appears to make the following extraordinary claim: "Every person who was born here in Canada, in North America, you are indigenous. People don't realize that. If you were born of the land, you are indigenous of the land."

    King got into trouble at another stop during the trip to Ottawa, when he described receiving a sacred ceremonial pipe from elders.

    He later posted a video saying the pipe is no longer in his possession because protocol was not followed during the presentation.

    He said the pipe has been smudged, cleansed and sent to a clan grandmother in Cold Lake, Alberta, who will hold it until King has abstained from alcohol for one year, which he said is a requirement for pipe carriers.

    King is due back in court on Mar. 18.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Badenoch View Post
    The illegal occupiers of Ottawa deserve no thanks from Ontario. Ford's plans were in place before the protestors arrived in the capital.

    More likely the border restrictions, which are idiotic in several respects, will remain in place longer because Trudeau does not want to be seen to be accommodating people who broke the law.
    Ford flipped flopped and lied continually over the past year+. He failed to meet several of his proposed deadlines by arbitrarily extending them to the frustration of most Ontarians who were desperately hoping to get back to some semblance of normalcy. He's ruined 100's of businesses despite claiming to fight for the little guy.

    He has an election coming up and the heat was turned up to 11 on every politician in the country.

    The speeding up of restriction-scrapping (and the total 180 turn in rhetoric of covid suddenly not being as dangerous, being able to "disagree" with Trudeau, etc.) was 110% a result of the freedom convoy and the millions of Canadians (and millions around the world) who showed overwhelming support. We have never seen any movement of this scale in our history.

    They are trying to save face and pretend it's their idea, just like many people who realized they were wrong about the vaccines, complying their way back into freedom or poo-pooing the convoy are now clamouring to virtue signal about Ukraine to feel important.

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    The best part about being a "conspiracy theorist" is not having myocarditis.

    Roses are red, violets are blue, taxation is theft, inflation is too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushwhacker View Post

    The speeding up of restriction-scrapping (and the total 180 turn in rhetoric of covid suddenly not being as dangerous, being able to "disagree" with Trudeau, etc.) was 110% a result of the freedom convoy and the millions of Canadians (and millions around the world) who showed overwhelming support. We have never seen any movement of this scale in our history.

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    Actually no. Read back before the convoy hoopla started. Most mandates were on there way out. We were following the same pattern as most of Europe. Most people just needed patience.

    Disagreeing with government has always been acceptable. Most convoy supporters should realize by now that disagreeing with the government was a non-issue. Illegally blocking borders and streets and promoting the overthrow of democracy was a no-no.

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