What the heck is going on here

[greatwhite]

Well I'm going to bring this up as nobody else has and I could be kicked off for rocking the boat.

This was a great site prior to Covid when everyone got along and we actually posted in the hunting and fishing section.

Then along came Covid and everything really blew up. Many people disagreed with each other and people took many different sides. There was a lot of slugging it out and the Admins stepped in.

Many of us were cited and some I did not agree with. I think everyone should be big enough to take it, but it is what it is or was. The pandemic is pretty much over.

But I have noticed that admins (I will not name names) are cracking down way to much I think they do need to back off a bit as we are all old enough and there will always be some arguing.
Many people are now being chased away and from both sides and this is bringing down the site.

People are being cited for even the slightest reply and I think it is going to far, I'm probably not the only one who would say this.

I know of quite a few people who are no longer participating and it can be seen in the threads, we are losing very knowledgeable people to this site who have a very long active history.

I think admins might need to take a step back and a breather.

It's time we ask and invite theses people back and relax the rules.

[mosquito]

Well the censorship isn't just a tool the Liberals use, it seems the admins like it too.

I recently made a post that one of the admins sent me a "good job" message however the next day the thread was locked and that very post was deleted by another admin.
"Excellent post today at 12: 46 "

When I told that same admin that it was deleted by an admin without infraction or a message I got back.

"Why??? It didn't break any rules."


My response to the Why??? was to just quote Orwell ""The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it" - George Orwell"

I almost deleted my account that day... but my stubborn streak rose and said Long live the revolution!

"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell


Some people hate to think fiscally or about budgets or even facts.... and some don't like to argue with ideologues and be insulted, my skin is just a bit to thick to quit thinking and caring about ethics, morals and facts. So unfortunately for them I stayed. Working from home gives me the flexibility to listen to speeches, debates, interviews etc., for example today I've already solved one issue and run a SQL sample report to give to the customer to see if it meets their requirement, the background noise is this...


Anyone can choose to search for facts, to look for truth etc.... but some just don't like facts, thinking etc. or like budgets, or thinking fiscally or ethically... so for now I'll drop the small accurate truth bombs and maybe a few will try to do that too.



If you think you are too small to be effective, you have never been in bed with a mosquito. Betty Reese

[greatwhite]

I know, I have been watching everything on here.

I am hoping the Admin(s) will join in on this thread or at least read it and maybe put their two cents worth in it.

I do run the risk that the thread will be locked or I could get kicked off.

I do hope Meghan will join in as well.

But please everyone be civil. The goal here is to have a open discussion with everyone and try and get members back. Even those who hate me.

[Ata83]

so I assume you guys also heard that FFF is attending WEF this year ? lol
that was a joke ...

[mosquito]

so I assume you guys also heard that FFF is attending WEF this year ? lol
that was a joke ...

FFF ...... French Football Fed? Famous Foxes Federation? .... ???

I know the Libs are there, for example.
https://tnc.news/2022/05/20/trudeau-...orum-in-davos/

[greatwhite]

I have been cited numerous times on here but I do take it in stride. But some has gone to far I think and another member informed me he was leaving for now for the same reason.

I think the admins need to give some room and pick the battles only when it gets out of hand.

[MeghanOOD]

Good Morning,
I think it's important to note that the Rules have been on here, untouched, since Nov. 9, 2014: https://www.oodmag.com/community/sho...-Rules-Conduct
I'm continually surprised by members who are surprised by them; we diligently cite and relink them at every available opportunity the better to inform our guidelines as a community.

Over the past two+ years we've had Admins and Mods come and go and of course each and every one is going to be different, and orient themselves differently. Tenured members are not exempt from the Rules of Conduct that CalTek established back then, and when we see Reported Posts again and again querying the same member, we must take it into account. We are not grooming the Forum looking for folks to pick on.

It's not just the pandemic through, right? There's been a lot of different content, hunting/fishing/outdoors-oriented, political, environmental, global -- all of which have been worth bringing up as topics of discussion to the Forum. I've always balked at the continued suggestions of getting rid of the Off Topic, because I feel people need that outlet. We have since compromised, and made it so that new members must first contribute a minimum of 25 posts to the Hunting/Fishing/Outdoors threads before being granted access to Off Topic. We ask that you treat each other with the respect and dignity you expect to be treated with, in kind. If you've received an infraction, it is likely because another member flagged your post and found it inappropriate. I should also point out, you can always bring an infraction up for discussion to Admin in a PM:

From Rules & Regs:
Moderators are active members of the community and have been empowered with the ability to not only police the forums but to give guidance and help facilitate discussion. They understand our conduct policy and are able to enforce it, and what they deem inappropriate. However, if you feel that your post has inappropriately been removed please contact an administrator with the appropriate information about your post and your account.

I think an airing of grievances is always a healthy and helpful way to make our Forum better, provided again, it's done in a respectful manner.
From Rules & Regs.
3(a). Personal insults, inappropriate or offensive content, the incitement of violence, or disrupting behaviours, which are detrimental to discussions in the forum will not be tolerated.

The point of this Forum is not to censor the voices of our members; it's to provide a platform. A platform without a foundation of rules, however, is likely to collapse.
Here are those rules, once more, for those in the back: https://www.oodmag.com/community/sho...-Rules-Conduct

[greatwhite]

Meghan, I going to step in here for a moment but the last time I was sent an email was for for something where I wasn't even insulting the person and 2 posts down I was joking with them.
I am not the only one this has happened to it has happened numerous time as well as threads being shut down for literally no reason with no follow up emails. We are chasing away good members on here for no reason.

What some admins have taken to be someone insulting another isn't always the case just like for me. There needs to be a bit of stepping back. If someone is outright insulting someone such as "Greatwhite your a BasT" that is grounds to step in I agree but telling someone to put down their joint I would disagree.

At some point we may have zero members, which means the site will cease to exist. When I look at the number of members online now it is like 20% of what it was and it's the same complaint every time.

[greatwhite]

Meghan if you feel this is not the place to debate or discuss this just say so. I feel it is the right place and I hope the other Mods join in to give their perspectives.

But I hate to see this site go down and at this point it is.

[MeghanOOD]

I think an airing of grievances is always a healthy and helpful way to make our Forum better, provided again, it's done in a respectful manner.

GW,
If you're comfortable talking about this on here, you weren't given an infraction, you were given a warning from a Reported Post. It would be no different than my PM-ing you, but it's public for all other MODS to see (as I've stated, I prefer transparency when it comes to the Forum Rules.)
If you're still raw about it, you could always reach out to the person cited on that warning email and have them agree it was all in jest.