Target-shooting ban draws bead on Marlborough Forest vandalism

[greatwhite]

This is an old article from 2015. I only bring it up because of a small incident I saw today and as a reminder..

Back in 2015 target shooting was banned in Marlborough forest South of Ottawa not far from the 416. It was a well know area for target shooting with it's nice pits use to go there a few times a year myself. Anyways it was banned.

There are suppose to be signs up but slobs keep ripping them down. Some slob even left a 25 kg deer feed as garbage that we took home.

My son and I were out hunting in Marlborough today and heard several bursts of fire sounded like a 22 so I decided we should go check it out. It was a Father and daughter doing some target shooting. I decided I should go let them know they probably shouldn't do it and explain why. A 22 you might be able to get away with but something bigger maybe not. You see there is also a Anti Gun home down the road who when we use to target shoot years ago he would call the police, who obviously show up and we had to explain we were legal.

Anyways I didn't want to take the chance of this happening to someone. I feel bad for the fella just teaching his kid to shoot. I did say it was up to him and chances are that fella down the road won't hear a 22 (Although I heard it from the road).

The point of this is I just want other hunters in Ottawa and surrounding areas to know that you cannot target shoot there, hunting perfectly legal.

By the way the pit was full of Garbage that was shot up and I found that empty deer feed bag.

If people keep target shooting there and leaving the garbage hunting will soon be banned in Marlborough Forest.

By the way a member on here used his own truck and trailer and took several loads out at his own expense.


Below is the article



https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...rest-vandalism

Target-shooting ban draws bead on Marlborough Forest vandalism

A spike in tree damage, littering and vandalism has prompted the city to ban target shooting in the Marlborough Forest, a huge swath of land southwest of Richmond.

Author of the article:
Matthew Pearson
Published Jan 10, 2015 • Last updated Jun 01, 2020 • 3 minute read
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City of Ottawa Cutline info: A spike in tree damage, littering and vandalism has prompted the city to ban target shooting in the Marlborough Forest, a huge swarth of land southwest of Richmond.

Shooters who blasted trees and left hundreds of shell casings strewn about have prompted Ottawa to ban target shooting in the Marlborough Forest, a huge swath of land southwest of Richmond.

For years, the forest has been a common place to go for people to practise their marksmanship skills, without any major incidents.

But a recent spike in the number of people apparently using the forest in a “dangerous and disrespectful manner” has forced a crack down, the city says.


Pictures speak for themselves. A sign at the forest’s entrance, paid for by sponsors, was riddled with bullets, while garbage and debris from target practice was piled up and the ground left littered with red, green and blue shell casings.

Meanwhile, trees — some greater than 20 centimetres across — were pumped so full of shells that they were severed or had to be cut down.


One area in particular, off Paden Road, was ground zero for numerous complaints to police, bylaw officers and the provincial Ministry of Natural Resources.
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Scott Moffatt, the Rideau-Goulbourn councillor elected in 2010 and again last fall, says he received complaints throughout his first term in office. In particular, there appears to be an increase in the number of people coming from outside of the area to target shoot there, he said.

“The appearance is they don’t care about anything because they just leave crap everywhere,” Moffatt said.

The city posted signs last fall, advising forest users that the discharge of firearms for anything besides hunting, as regulated by MNR, is prohibited.

People who continue to skeet or target shoot in the forest could be subject to stiff fines under the city’s trees and natural areas protection bylaw. Fines range from as much as $10,000 for a first conviction to $25,000 for subsequent convictions.
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Police are “using this time for education” about the change, said David Barkley, the manager of forest services, when asked if anyone has been charged for illegally shooting in the forest since the signs were posted in September.

Cleaning up the forest last summer ate up $10,000 of the department’s operating budget, he said.

The target-shooting ban is a classic case of a reckless minority ruining it for a respectful majority, said outdoorsman Wes Clyburne.

“There’s always a slob or two who ruins it for everybody,” he said. “You can’t legislate away idiots.”

Having a safe place for hunters to go target shooting is a good idea, Clyburne said, because it allows them to test their firearms before hunting season to ensure everything is in working order. Plinking, which involves firing at informal targets such as pop cans or swinging steel plates, is also popular.
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But Clyburne says every hunter safety course — which everyone must pass to get a licence — encourages hunters to clean up after themselves.

Target shooting is not allowed in any other city-owned forests or property, but there are several gun clubs and shooting ranges in the region.

Those are reasonable options, Clyburne said, but they often require memberships and may not be economical for the hobby hunter who just needs to fire off a few rounds at the start of the season to make sure a gun is working properly.

That’s why the Marlborough was a good option for many.

The forest is Ottawa’s largest conservation area. At nearly 8,200 hectares, it’s bigger than every urban ward in the city. And it has a range of diverse users, including hikers, hunters, snowmobilers and scientists.

It’s also takes in private land and there are residents living within its bounds.

Moffatt said he’s received two complaints from forest users who aren’t pleased with the ban and think it’s a heavy-handed response.

He admits that the wide net cast probably catches people who have always cleaned up after themselves, but he supports the decision.

“I, too, saw those pictures,” Moffatt said. “You have to do something.”

[Bluebulldog]

It only takes one or two idiots to riot it for a lot of good people.

There was a County Forest in Dufferin a few years ago that was a great spot to target shoot.

Only problem was proximity to the GTA. ( Same as Marlborough).

One person told another, etc. Next thing, the place was a dump, and shooting was banned.

It's half the reason I won't share any of my Crown Land ranges or shooting spots....even with some people I know.....

[trimmer21]

There's literally no place around our area where we can target shoot specifically because of the reasons already mentioned. The Ganaraska Forest bans all target shooting. All old decommissioned gravel dumps that had been used for decades are all posted with "No Trespassing" signs. Unfortunately,we live in the age of liability and ambulance-chasing lawyers along with the on-going all out war against all things firearm related.

[fishfood]

You would think if it draws a number of people from out side the area its time to increase the amount of places.
As said it only take 1 idiot to ruin it but we should be able to overcome those people.

I say open up more places to eliminate the crowding and alow more to actively participate in these areas.




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[Badenoch]

If you've got a good rural shooting spot tell no one, invite no one unless you trust them to keep their yaps shut and certainly don't post it online.

There used to be target shooting at Nonquon near Port Perry until imbeciles on Canadian Gunnutz discovered it and shared the news. It quickly became a magnet for certain types with an SKS or a short-barreled "shottie" who objected to safety rules at a rifle range. It's lucky someone wasn't killed.

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...y_bullets.html

[trimmer21]

If you've got a good rural shooting spot tell no one, invite no one unless you trust them to keep their yaps shut and certainly don't post it online.

There used to be target shooting at Nonquon near Port Perry until imbeciles on Canadian Gunnutz discovered it and shared the news. It quickly became a turd magnet for every low-life loser with an SKS or a short-barreled "shottie" who objected to safety rules at a rifle range. It's lucky someone wasn't killed.

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...y_bullets.html

Funny you mention the Nonquon. It was full of idiots from the dirty 'shwa' long before it was ever posted on that other website,even before homes were later built next to it. I was there with a buddy for less than an hour,once,many decades ago,Grouse hunting. We had two rounds go through the tree branches over head,close enough to hear the shot "pop". Being serving LEO's at the time,those "target" shooters were quickly arrested,charged and later convicted of several CC offenses. That's when the campaign to limit discharge in the area was actually started by the sitting Crown Attorney at the time. It still took a ridiculous amount of time to get done. Having residences complain with verifiable damage to their homes sealed the deal.

[Marker]

The local CO took care of a few target shooting slobs in my area, I dragged out some tables, chairs, and targets they had set up and disposed of it. It has been much better since but there is still the odd guy who tries his luck.

[finsfurfeathers]

There used to be target shooting at Nonquon near Port Perry until imbeciles on Canadian Gunnutz discovered it and shared the news.

Ran into a young guy with a young german dog hunting "my" public bush. Chatted with him as rarely ran into another hunter. Said he was from Oshawa used to hunt Nonquon but it got to crazy there so a friend told him about this spot.

[greatwhite]

I felt really bad about telling the fella and his daughter about the bylaw and ruining his day out teaching his daughter to shoot,
but I didn't want to take a chance of the Police showing up and it would look bad with his daughter there.

So many people just bent on runing it for others.

Reminds me of growing up in NB in the winter the local boat club we would go ice fishing and all the shacks were unlocked and people did not mind you using them at all. Sometime later when I moved up my Dad told me that people had started breaking into them and stealing the equipment like stoves, lanterns, fishing equipment, using them as out houses etc. Now you can no longer use them everyone locks them up and they hired a security guard to watch over it at night.

Another story I fish a Moose Lake near Espanola and sometime hike the mountain with my canoe. One year we discovered a canoe someone had left to be used I repaired it a few times but eventually fell apart. Well one day out on that lake I see from the water a boat on shore and I am thinking to myself cool someone has left a boat up here, so my son and I paddle over to check it out. Well if someone had shot bullet holes all through it. Why the heck would someone do that? It was up there to be used by anyone, why shoot holes in it, what is the point of that.

What is the problem with these people they are F slobs.

[Sharon]

Not slobs, angry about life sociopaths.
No target practice at Hullett this year either.

Our neighbour didn't like our fence so ran into it several times with his big truck.
He hasn't put his garbage out once in 10 years.
He drives it to a business' bluebox and dumps it in there every week.
Anti social behaviour relieves his anger .