Second chance Draw for Moose

[matt64]

Exactly. If all tags were claimed there would be a lot less available in the first place. They only want so many moose harvested as there are only so many. Success rates and unclaimed tags are factored in.

This unclaimed tag argument is just that an argument. It doesn’t make more moose and the numbers that can be harvested are

The tags allocated to the WMU's are calculated as to what the area can sustain. Unclaimed tags are not part of the process. Hunter reporting gives them a success rate per WMU, all tags should be awarded, period.

[FishHog]

The tags allocated to the WMU's are calculated as to what the area can sustain. Unclaimed tags are not part of the process. Hunter reporting gives them a success rate per WMU, all tags should be awarded, period.

You don’t think if more tags were issued more moose would be taken and so they would reduce the number of available tags that wmu could sustain?

Ultimately it not about the number of tags w the number of moose taken. That’s a function of tags, claimed tags, active hunters, success rates. All of that data is used to come up with tags given.
I get you want a tag. We all do but at the end of the day there are only so many moose and things are adjusted to keep within sustainable harvest rates.
“Period.” (Which I find a little rude but you used it)

[matt64]

You don’t think if more tags were issued more moose would be taken and so they would reduce the number of available tags that wmu could sustain?

Ultimately it not about the number of tags w the number of moose taken. That’s a function of tags, claimed tags, active hunters, success rates. All of that data is used to come up with tags given.
I get you want a tag. We all do but at the end of the day there are only so many moose and things are adjusted to keep within sustainable harvest rates.
“Period.” (Which I find a little rude but you used it)

First sorry for using "period" that was not directed to anyone on the forum, only to the MNRF. Also unclaimed tags is 100% not a function tag numbers, call the MNRF or OFAH to confirm. Once again, the amount of tags released per year to all WMU's are what the MNRF believe is sustainable. The number changes due to surveys and now also hunter reporting, That is why I am upset at the amount of tags that are left unclaimed. This could have been fixed after the first year of the new system being implemented. Also, just a heads up but this will be all changing again in 2027. What would be helpful is for all moose hunters to call Doug Ford, Graydon Smith and Patrick Hubert, Senior wildlife biologist- Policy advisor, OFAH and the BGMAC to voice your concerns. When the system was implemented there was only a very small number of hunters who sent in their 2 cents during the open process period. So lets try to gather all outdoor enthusiasts and start to convey our concerns. The system is flawed. Cheers

[trimmer21]

I notice that some posters here (and in other forums) still refer to tag allocations as in "groups". We need to remember that "groups" no longer enter the equation in the system. Just sayin'.........

[Ali88]

Next time ask, it's not that hard to figure out, I believe it's easier for people to throw their hands up in the air than to ask, however, I thought that our group should've received a Bull tag in the 2nd chance but we didn't, so now we only have 2 cow tags, I think 1 will be enough, I myself have received a calf tag the last 3 years in a row, my son who had a Bull tag last year received a calf tag this year.

[FishHog]

First sorry for using "period" that was not directed to anyone on the forum, only to the MNRF.

tags released per year to all WMU's are what the MNRF believe is sustainable.

Thanks appreciate that.
I agree tags released is what they think is sustainable. But you seem to think that if they release 100 tags they think 100 moose can be taken.

In reality they work that down to how many hunters who got a tag were successful. If that 25% for example they believe 25 moose could be harvested and that being sustainable.

If we were ever 100% successful and 100% of tags were claimed they would only issue 25 tags in the first place.

Don’t kid yourself. MNR makes money off of claimed tags. If they could get away with issuing more and not decimating the moose population they would.

[gbk]

Thanks appreciate that.
I agree tags released is what they think is sustainable. But you seem to think that if they release 100 tags they think 100 moose can be taken.

In reality they work that down to how many hunters who got a tag were successful. If that 25% for example they believe 25 moose could be harvested and that being sustainable.

If we were ever 100% successful and 100% of tags were claimed they would only issue 25 tags in the first place.

Don’t kid yourself. MNR makes money off of claimed tags. If they could get away with issuing more and not decimating the moose population they would.

matt64 is saying what i am also trying to say-make the system transparent and predictable.
As far as the $ concerns-i hardly believe the roughly 1 million dollar they collect from all moose tags/year is of any motivational value for a big organization like MNRF.

So far we guess a lot.
How they guess how many tags will go unclaimed? As this being big part of the equation for the supporters of the theory that those tags are part of the foreseen/allotted potential harvest?

[gbk]

First sorry for using "period" that was not directed to anyone on the forum, only to the MNRF. Also unclaimed tags is 100% not a function tag numbers, call the MNRF or OFAH to confirm. Once again, the amount of tags released per year to all WMU's are what the MNRF believe is sustainable. The number changes due to surveys and now also hunter reporting, That is why I am upset at the amount of tags that are left unclaimed. This could have been fixed after the first year of the new system being implemented. Also, just a heads up but this will be all changing again in 2027. What would be helpful is for all moose hunters to call Doug Ford, Graydon Smith and Patrick Hubert, Senior wildlife biologist- Policy advisor, OFAH and the BGMAC to voice your concerns. When the system was implemented there was only a very small number of hunters who sent in their 2 cents during the open process period. So lets try to gather all outdoor enthusiasts and start to convey our concerns. The system is flawed. Cheers

Hi matt64-what is changing in 2027? If you do not mind to share it with us.Thanx

[Matt86]

If they made a cut off date to claim the 2nd draw tags and sped up the draw process and then left over tags bought over the counter per say most of the complaining would go away, it is a pretty easy fix and one that happens in the States for elk and mulies,

[matt64]

Hi matt64-what is changing in 2027? If you do not mind to share it with us.Thanx

Hey GBK, we do not know what it the changes are but the BGMAC and OFAH has heard from the ministry regarding changes for 2027. The MNRF acknowledges flaws but have said that a surplus system can not be created in time for next years hunt, which again is a joke. And once again,there seems to be disagreement on WMU tag allotment, The tags available are what the MNRF biologists believe to be sustainable, therefore all remaining tags should be available in a surplus system. If you are in disagreement call someone on the BGMAC committee or a MNRF , OFAH biologist as I have done. On a final note my group has received an adult tag for our current WMU since 1992, I am advocating this on behalf of all the hunters that cancel their hunt, when all these tags are left unclaimed. One final example in 2023 WMU 2 had 20 Bull, 104 Cow and 113calf tags awarded and then left unclaimed. Lets stand up and be heard , give Graydon Smiths office a call please. Cheers Matt