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February 3rd, 2014, 02:48 PM
#21

Originally Posted by
terrym
I think those 3 gun competitions are timed events with targets mostly stationary right? If that's the case then the gun requirements for that shooting isn't comparable to a high speed target like a wood duck or clay pigeon.
Yes, 3-gun is a timed sport. There are moving targets...
What I'm saying is these guys shoot so fast or move from target to target so quickly that a slower cycling bolt "could" mean a slower time for them.
In other words if a shooter has to wait for his bolt to cycle when he's already on the next target... and wants to move to the next and the next one... Well, It's the gun slowing him down.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP8cZ-xqnZI
Last edited by Gaoler; February 3rd, 2014 at 02:52 PM.
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February 3rd, 2014 02:48 PM
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February 3rd, 2014, 03:12 PM
#22
I can see the logic in that but my guess is any high level shooter in those games spends quite a bit of money on tuning triggers. I think that has more value than most other mods in most firearms. Watching that youtube video I would think a shooter's physical conditioning and speed running from station to station would make far more difference than cycle time of an action. The lock time on a trigger isn't about speeding up the second shot it's about having the shot go off cleaner on target. If you miss it doesn't matter how fast you spray lead.
Last edited by terrym; February 3rd, 2014 at 03:19 PM.
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February 3rd, 2014, 09:19 PM
#23

Originally Posted by
terrym
I think those 3 gun competitions are timed events with targets mostly stationary right? If that's the case then the gun requirements for that shooting isn't comparable to a high speed target like a wood duck or clay pigeon.
To return to target after a shot(for subsequent shots), a faster action cycling would result in a faster recovery time thus a faster second shot on the target, other things being equal. On a multi shot target, one can be complete faster and moving to engage the next target.
However, how fast does an action really have to be? I don't think I can cycle my finger faster than the standard action many times anyway.
Last edited by skypilot; February 3rd, 2014 at 09:22 PM.
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February 4th, 2014, 03:23 PM
#24

Originally Posted by
terrym
Watching that youtube video I would think a shooter's physical conditioning and speed running from station to station would make far more difference than cycle time of an action.
'Plenty of fat guys in 3-gun... LoL
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February 4th, 2014, 03:27 PM
#25

Originally Posted by
skypilot
how fast does an action really have to be? I don't think I can cycle my finger faster than the standard action many times anyway.
Well I'm talking the top tier shooters in the game... Of which I am not one of.. LoL
Whether it's realy making a measurable difference or not, these guys "think" it gives them an edge. They'll lighten bolt carriers, customize springs and do whatever they can to shave a 1000ths of a second off their time...
I have modified my 3-gun gear to a certain extent, but triggers, springs etc remain pretty much stock.
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February 4th, 2014, 03:58 PM
#26

Originally Posted by
Gaoler
'Plenty of fat guys in 3-gun... LoL

Originally Posted by
Gaoler
Whether it's realy making a measurable difference or not, these guys "think" it gives them an edge. They'll lighten bolt carriers, customize springs and do whatever they can to shave a 1000ths of a second off their time...
But they won't lay off the Doritos?
In any case, what happens in highly formalized competitive shooting situations doesn't have a lot of bearing on duck hunting. If you need a faster action so you can take three shots at the same duck, it ain't your autoloader that's the problem. 
As I said before, I can miss the same bird three times with a pump before it gets out of range.
"The language of dogs and birds teaches you your own language."
-- Jim Harrison (1937 - 2016)
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February 4th, 2014, 04:26 PM
#27
Has too much time on their hands
I have never seen someone shoot a triple with a pump before but have seen and shot a few 3x with a semi.
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February 4th, 2014, 07:40 PM
#28

Originally Posted by
terrierman41
What the heck is with all the advertising hype over how fast some autoloaders cycle. I understand the reliability associated with the hype, but who the heck shoots that rapidly when in a hunting or clays situation anyway??? Although while hunting public land this past fall it sounded like they were filming those very commercials just up river from where I was, lol.
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