Big cuts coming to Moose Tags???

[B Wilson]

Where is the racism in those quotes Fishy? What is racist about referring to natives as natives?

[Fishy Wishy]

good grief. Ok im sorry my great grandpa beat up your great grandpa. They want there rights then fine, Im ok with that.. No guns,outboards quads trucks electricity etc etc etc. thats all us terrible white mans. make a bow or slingshot or whatever else you want and have at her...Oh and try not to be a big tough Rambo online, Im not racpist champ.

1...You don't know me...and that is obvious...I'm the whitest person you'll ever meet.
2. No one's great grampa got beat up. My family has been in Canada since there was Canada. From loyalists, to voyageurs, HBC, and geological surveyors...this Doesn't mean I agree with treatment of the FN through our history.

Hey we lied, traded in bad faith all sorts of evils...it would have been more humane to assimilate the natives. It would have been cleaner if our ancestors raped and pillaged as Ghangis Kahn or Attilla and the huns, Charlemange or Alexander the Great, and all ancient great conquerors.

[Fishy Wishy]

Where is the racism in those quotes Fishy? What is racist about referring to natives as natives?

How about the first post where he blames the fall of moose pops on natives slaughtering moose out of spite? Generalizing a whole race based on a few???? Nope thats not racist.

[B Wilson]

How about the first post where he blames the fall of moose pops on natives slaughtering moose out of spite? Generalizing a whole race based on a few???? Nope thats not racist.

You are saying a few natives have slaughtered moose out of spite?

How do to the band councils deal with these issues? I mean what steps do they take to educate their people and prevent it from happening in the future?

[DanO]

My understanding is the the FN hunters do report accurate harvest back to their band and council the number of animals taken (unlimited) each year.
The band inturn hands this harvest number over to the MNR biologist at the district office in their area.
MNR will use this figure aswell as the (regular) application hunters harvest number to determine tag alocations the following year.
It is in the best interest of the FN to provide accurate numbers so that the number of tags allocated do not harm the moose/deer populations in their treaty hunting area.



Is there no reporting structure in place currently? I don't know anything about treaties so I don't know what FN have to abide by each year in terms of moose and deer harvests. We are lucky enough to draw our one adult tag per year and even luckier to fill it.

[/QUOTE]

Of course the number harvested will always be the exact quota allowed for FN.
If you allowed white hunters to report to a family member instead of the MNR how accurate would the reporting data be??? We have no idea how many moose the FN harvest in zone 48. Its none of our business but it sure makes it hard to manage moose. We've had a draw for calf tags for 10 years and evidence indicates its ineffective.
dan o.

[BPR 30-06]

Of course the number harvested will always be the exact quota allowed for FN.
If you allowed white hunters to report to a family member instead of the MNR how accurate would the reporting data be??? We have no idea how many moose the FN harvest in zone 48. Its none of our business but it sure makes it hard to manage moose. We've had a draw for calf tags for 10 years and evidence indicates its ineffective.
dan o.[/QUOTE]

I guess I shoudln't have put the brackets around UNLIMITED. The FN want to sustain the herd so they will report the numer of moose/deer accurately so the the number of TAGS available will be reduced the following year for the white hunters.

[farmer]

Everybody can help the moose by hunting bears and wolves, coyotes during the season. All the wolf scat has moose hairs in it. Buy a tag and eat bear its fantastic.

[unit28]

Kap example is a joke, outdoor life cant possibly live in northern ontario! No where near 100 calf shot in that unit, and no where near 150 HUNTERS goin to work in the bush in personal vehicles every day! and since when do calfes hang out on main bush arteries in hunting season!

It has little to do with this winter apart from the fact that the deep snow moved them into the coniferous forests by the time the 1st aerial survey in 5 years took place this january, at least for unit 28, monster hit coming here!

Something is wrong with herd for sure, ticks, wolves, bears, my guess is a combo of three but had the aerials been completed annually, this might of been avoided! Its not right when nit 28 brings in nearly 250k in application revenues and the province only spends 250k or less in moose aerial surveys for whole province! Still lots of moose, we saw 9 bulls and one cow in 5 days of light hunting with no adult tag! Everyone is still seeing moose, but probably a little less

As for the Natives, there needs to be change, playing politically correct and tap dancing the issues wont solve the problem! The elders are fine, unfortunately the new generations dont have the same respect or consideration for fish and wildlife!

[canadaman30]

Lyme disease for a few years has been on a rapid rise in this province along with other provinces, hunting and predation hits population. Any one who thinks hunting is not a part of declining numbers are sadly mistaken. Then there is poaching. Weather is also a contributer. Count the amount of moose shot every year in Ontario, that's a helluva lot to say it makes no difference.

[trimmer21]

Lyme disease for a few years has been on a rapid rise in this province along with other provinces, hunting and predation hits population. Any one who thinks hunting is not a part of declining numbers are sadly mistaken. Then there is poaching. Weather is also a contributer. Count the amount of moose shot every year in Ontario, that's a helluva lot to say it makes no difference.

I wasn't aware Lyme disease was a factor in Moose mortality. I absolutely disagree that hunting affects Moose populations. If that was the case,all hunting of some species would have been halted,years ago. It's counter-intuitive to equate hunting with non-sustainability. Even poaching,while definitely a problem,wouldn't account for the rapid decline evident across Canada. Adverse weather would,for sure,from starvation, predation or both,either from Wolves,Coyotes and,especially Bears,after emerging from hibernation during Moose calving season,eating everything in sight.