A Tundra Swan Season In Ontario

[mojo stick]

I have seen so many swans in the past two weeks, migrating back , fields full in southern Ontario ,
saw one field yesterday had to be 2000 in it , just insane, open the season in the spring and southern Ontario would benefit from it,

[LondonDave]

I saw about 500 flying over my place this morning. Flock after flock. I've been seeing them for a couple of weeks now but in much smaller numbers.

[Buddy Boy]

Hello Guys,

This will be a special response to Jaycee's comments (Post # 100) but something that the rest of you should know as well.

I will share with you what I know on the understanding that Jaycee will share with us what he has "found out" on his own.

1) The CWS decided in April of 2011 to conduct a Tundra Swan Season Assessment subsequent to the submission of my original Tundra Swan proposal in October of 2010 and the submission of additional supporting documentation as well as letters of support from other "waterfowlers" in the beginning of 2011 ... something that would not have been done if there was no support for the proposal.

2) I received a note of gratitude from the CWS last summer for "all the work" that I had done "to bring swan hunting to Canada" ... something that would not have been done if there was no support for the proposal.

3) However I am aware that there are some individuals within the CWS who would like to terminate "waterfowling" entirely in the Long Point area ... something to consider.

4) I have not heard back from the MNR although one individual (who had expresssed some interest in the proposal) informed me that he had forwarded the documentation that I had sent to him to others within his department.

5) Mr. T. Worden (President, Ducks Unlimited Canada) advised me towards the end of 2011 that the proposal lies outside of Ducks Unlimited Canada's mandate however he did express his personal "good luck" to me.

6) Mr. J. Malcolm (President, LPWA) has recently advised me that the LPWA Board of Directors currently does not support the proposal due to the apparent lack of interest (despite the available evidence) among our members. He has however agreed to have "A Tundra Swan Season In Ontario" as an agenda item for discussion at our AGM in April of this year and this has recently been confirmed by Mr. A. Freitag (Secretary, LPWA).

I stated from the onset that a limited Tundra Swan season would not be for everyone and I had been warned to expect more opposition from my fellow "waterfowlers" than from the non-hunting public regarding this proposal ... such is life.

Thanks again to all of you for your interest.

Jerome

[mojo stick]

Hello Guys,

This will be a special response to Jaycee's comments (Post # 100) but something that the rest of you should know as well.

I will share with you what I know on the understanding that Jaycee will share with us what he has "found out" on his own.

1) The CWS decided in April of 2011 to conduct a Tundra Swan Season Assessment subsequent to the submission of my original Tundra Swan proposal in October of 2010 and the submission of additional supporting documentation as well as letters of support from other "waterfowlers" in the beginning of 2011 ... something that would not have been done if there was no support for the proposal.

2) I received a note of gratitude from the CWS last summer for "all the work" that I had done "to bring swan hunting to Canada" ... something that would not have been done if there was no support for the proposal.

3) However I am aware that there are some individuals within the CWS who would like to terminate "waterfowling" entirely in the Long Point area ... something to consider.

4) I have not heard back from the MNR although one individual (who had expresssed some interest in the proposal) informed me that he had forwarded the documentation that I had sent to him to others within his department.

5) Mr. T. Worden (President, Ducks Unlimited Canada) advised me towards the end of 2011 that the proposal lies outside of Ducks Unlimited Canada's mandate however he did express his personal "good luck" to me.

6) Mr. J. Malcolm (President, LPWA) has recently advised me that the LPWA Board of Directors currently does not support the proposal due to the apparent lack of interest (despite the available evidence) among our members. He has however agreed to have "A Tundra Swan Season In Ontario" as an agenda item for discussion at our AGM in April of this year and this has recently been confirmed by Mr. A. Freitag (Secretary, LPWA).

I stated from the onset that a limited Tundra Swan season would not be for everyone and I had been warned to expect more opposition from my fellow "waterfowlers" than from the non-hunting public regarding this proposal ... such is life.

Thanks again to all of you for your interest.

Jerome

you have done your homework thats forsure and know one can knock you for trying. this should be more than enough for jaycee,

[jaycee]

I will share with you what I know on the understanding that Jaycee will share with us what he has "found out" on his own.

I only reiterated what I was told by the people I spoke with over the phone, names I will not mention as I am not going to be the cause of any infighting between Buddyboy and the people involved that I spoke with .
All I am going to say is what I was told , that none were to receptive to the proposal. and I also did not encourage them to turn it down , I was just calling to get their general feeling.
As for Buddyboy go ahead and knock yourself out and keep pushing for it , but I for one will not support you .

[LondonDave]

I don't understand why anyone would go through so much trouble to try and shoot a swan. If you wanted to hunt them is there not areas down in the US where you can go and hunt them legally? I'd rather see a Cormorant season so we could get rid of some of the dirty beasts.

[greatwhite]

I guess he is passionate about the sport just like some are for Spring Bear hunt.

I don't understand why anyone would go through so much trouble to try and shoot a swan. If you wanted to hunt them is there not areas down in the US where you can go and hunt them legally? I'd rather see a Cormorant season so we could get rid of some of the dirty beasts.

[Buddy Boy]

Hello Guys,

A quick response to your comments:

1) Mojo Stick (Post # 101) ... thank you for posting your Tundra Swan observation but no "spring season" just a limited "fall season" like the Americans have.

2) London Dave (Post # 102) ... thank you for posting your Tundra Swan observation. I have previously addressed the Cormorant issue within this thread.

3) Mojo Stick (Post # 104) ... unfortunately some will ... such is life!

4) Jaycee (Post # 105) ... if you do not want to identify the individuals that you spoke to that is fine as I have already stated that there may be a difference of opinion "out there". I am not going to "fight" anyone over this proposal as everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion. However I will say that if they do not support Tundra Swan hunting then they do not support "waterfowl" hunting since "waterfowl" includes ducks, geese and swans.

Note: The other issue to consider is that since there are some individuals within the CWS and the MNR that do not believe in any waterfowl hunting then perhaps it would be best to "terminate" all waterfowl hunting in Ontario (perhaps even in all of Canada) and permit the Americans to harvest our share of the ducks and geese like they are currently doing with our share of the Tundra Swans ... sorry ... this is the way that I see the issue ... nothing personal.

5) London Dave (Post # 106) ... because it is the "right" thing to do otherwise we should just "fold up" our duck blinds and go home since the Americans can easily add our share of ducks and geese to their harvest (see note above).

Note: You can hunt the western population of Tundra Swans in Alaska, Montana, Nevada and Utah as well as the eastern population of Tundra Swans in Montana (there are two seasons), North Dakota, South Dakota, North Carolina, Virginia and New Jersey (pending). Do you think that it is fair for Canadians to have to travel to the United States to hunt our share of Tundra Swans? If you do then I believe that every "waterfowler" should be concerned about that belief ... see note above.

6) Great White (Post # 107) ... not only "passsionate" but also determined to see this Tundra Swan proposal through otherwise I may not support any "waterfowl" hunting in this province in the future. If people are interested in hunting ducks then they can travel to the United States to hunt them.

Note: I know for a fact that there are individuals within the CWS and the MNR who would be very pleased to see an end to all "waterfowl" hunting ... it is up to us to keep the "waterfowling" tradition alive. By the way Tundra Swan hunting was part of that "waterfowling" tradition in Ontario from 1615 to 1918. Consequently I believe that it would be nice to have a limited Tundra Swan season starting in 2015. That would be 400 years after our ancestors started hunting Tundra Swans in Ontario.

Thanks again to all of you for your interest.

Jerome

[Dythbringer]

I don't understand why anyone would go through so much trouble to try and shoot a swan. If you wanted to hunt them is there not areas down in the US where you can go and hunt them legally? I'd rather see a Cormorant season so we could get rid of some of the dirty beasts.

I would much rather just have the ability to shoot cormorants as opposed to a "season". Giving them a season indicates someone might want to eat them. I don't think I could, in good conscious, send my lab to retrieve one of them either. I would think he would give a look akin to something like "you gotta be #*&^ing me".

Dyth

[CocoZoo]

I guess if Swans were grey coloured ugly fish eaters, nobody would give a damn if they opened the season Huh?

Guess we can only hunt ugly critters to keep all the Nancys happy. ;p

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