Are our moose dwindling? David says so

[SeanL]

Nobody can understand how they came up with this year's tag numbers...
However, after all it is a great opportunity and, besides those who already booked their fall vacation, we all should be thankful:
Now, we can openly ask the MNR how they manage our resources scientifically, which has to include

1. Not only habitat and actual population, but
2. the politically dicey topic of aboriginals
3. wolfes (incl. tag system in NOnt. and no hunt zones)
4. and last but not least the spring bear hunt !!

As sad as this change in tag allocation is, it happened at the right time.

The MNR has no authority when it comes to natives and hunting except when dealing with species at risk.

[Waftrudnir]

The MNR has no authority when it comes to natives and hunting except when dealing with species at risk.

never said they do. regardless, it is a topic that needs to be discussed sooner or later: the aboriginal population is significantly increasing and at some point, things that may worked in the past will not in the future.
some bands may recognise that and do things voluntarily, but as always it needs only one rotten apple to spoil an entire bushel.
I know it's a taboo to talk about them, but afterall, we are all just people and hunt the same game. The criminal code applies to them, they have to drive on the same side of the road, etc. So, why can they not obey by the same rules as the rest of us? They should be required to have tags and licences and all the other regs should apply too. Give them all the tags for free if you want as long as they have to go through the same lottery.

[300Sniper]

With 5 moose last year it looks like you did your part in reducing the numbers quite effectively.

Are you suggesting there is a problem with our success?

[SeanL]

never said they do. regardless, it is a topic that needs to be discussed sooner or later: the aboriginal population is significantly increasing and at some point, things that may worked in the past will not in the future.
some bands may recognise that and do things voluntarily, but as always it needs only one rotten apple to spoil an entire bushel.
I know it's a taboo to talk about them, but afterall, we are all just people and hunt the same game. The criminal code applies to them, they have to drive on the same side of the road, etc. So, why can they not obey by the same rules as the rest of us? They should be required to have tags and licences and all the other regs should apply too. Give them all the tags for free if you want as long as they have to go through the same lottery.

What I am saying is that the MNR can discuss the natives all they want but that it would take agreements with all the bands or a constitutional amendment to bring native hunting in line with everybody else. Some bands will oppose just because they can and constitutional amendments are hard to come by. It's a good idea but will be a long term strategy for sure.

[SeanL]

Are you suggesting there is a problem with our success?

I am saying that just because you can shoot 5 moose does not mean you should. Hunter success rates are a big factor in how well the herds do, not just mismanagement.

[300Sniper]

I am saying that just because you can shoot 5 moose does not mean you should. Hunter success rates are a big factor in how well the herds do, not just mismanagement.

You must be kidding me. I didn't say I shot 5 moose, I said "we" shot 5 moose. You know how many guys are required to get 5 tags? Do you know how much planning, money, time, meetings, vacation, being away from our families, sleepless nights, preparation ect ect ect is required to drive 18 hours and live in the bush for a week all for the opportunity to hunt and harvest moose?

This is a pro hunting and fishing forum, we support the aforementioned as well as preservation of species. If there were x amount of tags available and we drew 5 and were successful enough to fill them, how can you tell me we did something wrong? I am not a wildlife biologist, I don't do my own aerial surveys nor am I an expert on why population go up or down, that is the job of the mnr. If they determine we are allowed x amount of tags then I'll go along with that and have no recourse for filling them in the same way I have no problem with the number of tags being reduced this year.

Feel free to preach to someone else, perhaps you stumbled upon the wrong forum and should perhaps be looking for PETA. I not sure of the url but you should find it easily enough using Google....

[werner.reiche]

With 5 moose last year it looks like you did your part in reducing the numbers quite effectively.

It seems you have a chip on your shoulder. Do you have problem with other hunters being successful?

[SK33T3R]

What really bugs me is when others get moose and I don't! Sometimes that happens! But not often

Moose #'s are down but that only makes the real hunters hunt harder, longer, wiser.

Anyone with a tag will make the shot when the time comes!

AND THAT IS THE REALITY OF IT!

[rick_iles]

You must be kidding me. I didn't say I shot 5 moose, I said "we" shot 5 moose. You know how many guys are required to get 5 tags? Do you know how much planning, money, time, meetings, vacation, being away from our families, sleepless nights, preparation ect ect ect is required to drive 18 hours and live in the bush for a week all for the opportunity to hunt and harvest moose?

This is a pro hunting and fishing forum, we support the aforementioned as well as preservation of species. If there were x amount of tags available and we drew 5 and were successful enough to fill them, how can you tell me we did something wrong? I am not a wildlife biologist, I don't do my own aerial surveys nor am I an expert on why population go up or down, that is the job of the mnr. If they determine we are allowed x amount of tags then I'll go along with that and have no recourse for filling them in the same way I have no problem with the number of tags being reduced this year.

Feel free to preach to someone else, perhaps you stumbled upon the wrong forum and should perhaps be looking for PETA. I not sure of the url but you should find it easily enough using Google....

Excellent post !!!!!!

[SeanL]

It seems you have a chip on your shoulder. Do you have problem with other hunters being successful?

No chip, just disbelief. As a native I can shoot all the moose I want whenever I want, but I don't. Like most people here I don't need the meat, I hunt for the pleasure of hunting. The meat is just a nice bonus, especially considering that hunting for meat is almost always more expensive than buying it.

Most people recognize that the government can't do much right, if anything at all, and although we are not happy about it we live with it. I don't believe I have ever seen a comment here applauding the MNR for their management of our natural resources, so when I see a comment saying our group harvested 5 adult moose last year I have to wonder if they are the only people out there who does not recognize the MNR does a poor job, or if they simply don't care about the future of the resource. Conservation of our resources is everybodys responsibility, especially when you already know it is badly managed.

No single rain drop ever blamed itself for the flood.