OFAH Position on Tag Cuts

[werner.reiche]

Stick a $500 on as a reserve for a tag is elitest like in the Kngdom . For a camp maybe . Auction to highest bidder . ? Yup, you will even get me talked into poaching like Robin Hood .

TD

Based on what outfitters charge, the reserve price on a bull tag should be in the 2500 range.
If the tags are to be auctioned, it should be a small fraction of the tags at a high reserve price - for the people with more money than brains - something like the sheep hunt tags they sell out west for several hundred thousand or Kaibab mule deer hunts.

[B Wilson]

Stick a $500 on as a reserve for a tag is elitest like in the Kngdom . For a camp maybe . Auction to highest bidder . ? Yup, you will even get me talked into poaching like Robin Hood .

TD

There would still be 95 % of the tags left for the draw amongst the peasants

[Fishy Wishy]

Such an auction, no matter how you look at it, is a dangerous slope. We are already heading down too many of these slopes with outfitters (and some individuals) tying up private land with cash. Then there are the access restricted remote tourist areas seen up north.

Now let's not all forget some areas have/had guaranteed group sizes and then the Large group draw. One only needs to look at the 2013 lottery applications/quota in the current regs and do simple math to figure out how much a tag costs a group by WMU. Some GGS were 3 hunters x $56 = $168. Some were 11 hunters x $56 = $616.

FW

[blasted_saber]

Based on what outfitters charge, the reserve price on a bull tag should be in the 2500 range.
If the tags are to be auctioned, it should be a small fraction of the tags at a high reserve price - for the people with more money than brains - something like the sheep hunt tags they sell out west for several hundred thousand or Kaibab mule deer hunts.

It would need to FAR higher then $500, else they'd sell them out instantly. Heck, most camps in central ON already have a group of 10 or more guys throwing in $50 each just for a draw.

[B Wilson]

You guys do understand the concept of an auction right?

[werner.reiche]

You guys do understand the concept of an auction right?

Yes - but the fact that there are multiple identical items for sale complicates it. Unless you allow the winning bid to buy as many as he wants at that price and resell them. Otherwise after the first year's auction, no one will want to bid a lot more for the first tag than people bid the previous year for the last tag - and your auction proceeds will dwindle. People are weasels when it comes to money.

[seabast]

Yes - but the fact that there are multiple identical items for sale complicates it. Unless you allow the winning bid to buy as many as he wants at that price and resell them. Otherwise after the first year's auction, no one will want to bid a lot more for the first tag than people bid the previous year for the last tag - and your auction proceeds will dwindle. People are weasels when it comes to money.

What about a closed action, minimum bit is whatever, only one shot at it, and the winning bids stay unknown.

I'm totally against an action tag system anyway, just good for the rich or the groups, the poor or the guy alone has no chance, just screwed again... Doesn't sound like Canada no more, does it?

[blasted_saber]

You guys do understand the concept of an auction right?

The reserve bid alone would need to very high.

[werner.reiche]

What about a closed action, minimum bit is whatever, only one shot at it, and the winning bids stay unknown.

I'm totally against an action tag system anyway, just good for the rich or the groups, the poor or the guy alone has no chance, just screwed again... Doesn't sound like Canada no more, does it?

The entire idea of an auction would not to be fair distribution of tags, but to generate a large amount of revenue from a small number of tags. That's why the reserve bide price has to be 'very high'.

[B Wilson]

I agree with a higher reserve. Take the guaranteed group size for the WMU, multiply it by 55 and then add 100 for the reserve bid price. Only auction off 5% of the tags, leaving 95% for the rest of us.
To ensure there is competition for the tag,
If there are 10 tags, the auction doesn't start until there are 15 bidders, Online auction at a set date and time for a limited time.
All bidder's have to provide a credit card deposit for the reserve price, to keep people from just driving prices up on other guys with no intention of buying a premium priced tag.
The 5 unsuccessful bidders have their deposit returned to them.