Do you need an ultra magnum?

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Delmer

Savage 10ML-II

When I shoot I don’t pollute.
After I fire I clean when I desire.
Maintaining line of sight I see direction of flight.
Need I say more with this winning score.


Ed

[MikePal]

Muzzle loaders are 100 yard guns on deer for the most part, even with scopes and magnum loads. I guess you would have less of a rainbow effect but it is still similar to shooting a shotgun slug.

I'd put that range out to 200yds....most of the conicals achieve enough energy/speed to shoot effectively and accurately out to 200yd without to much compensation....

see some of the ballistic charts at this link to get an idea:

https://www.prbullet.com/bal.htm

But yes, your right, this magnum craze is primarily for target shooters striving for distance, not for hunting scenarios.

I would not hesitate to make a 200 yd shot with mine with a good rest and that is with 100 grns of powder. Agreed, the magnum charge is not needed and some of it exits the barrel before full burn.

I agree, once you pass 110grs, you'll find a lot of unspend powder being throw out the barrel. (I put a white bed sheet down and was surprised).

As for the new Remington Ultimate for me I don’t need it as my 10ML-II gives me everything I need out to 200yds easily.

I can only assume the Remington was developed to replace the Savage ( no longer made) for the guys that wanted a long range gun. It seems the the goal was to market a 500 yr range ML.

Am I missing something, but is there anything different mechanically with a smokeless ML that prevents them from shooting BP ? ie: would you be able to shoot smokeless powder thru the Remington Ultimate ?

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MikePal

SML’s can shoot BP loads without any difficulty.
As for the Remington Ultimate I couldn’t say what amount or type of smokeless powder it could handle because I don’t know the pressure rating of the barrel. In theory if a smokeless powder load does not exceed the pressure level rating of say a max BP load for a given ML you would think it is doable. Pressure rating and pressure level generated is the key for not destroying any firearm.
But I don’t endorse or promote trying this because of all the variables that have to be taken into consideration that the average shooter is not aware of. Stay within manufacturers recommendation to be safe or you may live a life of regret if you suffer severe consequences.

Ed

[MikePal]

Stay within manufacturers recommendation to be safe or you may live a life of regret if you suffer severe consequences.

Litigations are preventing the Gun manufactures from letting us know the truth..I don't figure Remington will be providing the smokeless data/recommendation.

[MikePal]

Delmer

Savage 10ML-II

When I shoot I don’t pollute.
After I fire I clean when I desire.
Maintaining line of sight I see direction of flight.
Need I say more with this winning score.


Ed

At least you put a smilie at the end...LOL...

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MikePal

I agree with what you said but Savage did provide specific pressure ratings for the 10ML-II.
Yield strength of over 80k-psi and tensile (failure) strength of over 120k-psi.
My loads are kept under 40k-psi and confirmed with pressure trace testing.
Hopefully I can acquire a copy of QuickLoad in the future to assist with future load development as an added precaution.

Ed

[delmer]

Delmer

Savage 10ML-II

When I shoot I don’t pollute.
After I fire I clean when I desire.
Maintaining line of sight I see direction of flight.
Need I say more with this winning score.


Ed

Just giving you fellow Savage shooters a hard time.

I know why people shoot a 10ML-II, because I shoot one for the same reasons.

I do like your rhyme!

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Delmer

Just some return humor poking.
Sooner or later someone in your area (I’m quite familiar with) will be buying a Remington Ultimate I imagine from Gobles. Guess I need to take my 10ML-II up to 2500fps with a 250gr bullet to keep 1-step ahead, safely of course.


Ed

[DJB]

I never use magnum loads for hunting. Have tried them at the range and don't like the grouping. I use 80 gr. BH209 for 250 gr. SST or 90 gr. for a 300 gr. SST. I have dropped deer out to 200 yds. At the range, I have shot clover leafs with this combination at 100 yds. and 5'' groups at 200 yds. This was with my CVA Kodiak Magnum which was around a 350.00 gun in 2002. Yesterday, I picked up a CVA Accura V2 Magnum which is supposed to be more accurate because of the Bergera barrel. I will find out this week what it likes. I was happy with my Kodiak, but I needed a new toy.

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DJB

Not everyone has the same criteria when it comes to a firearm, including ML’s and what they decide is best for them and their needs. You obviously have found yours as I have found mine in the 10ML-II smokeless.

Accuracy out to 200yds is MOA or quite often less with the 250SST. With a muzzle velocity of around 2300fps this bullet can fragment under 75yds. This fragment condition can be remedied with an all copper bullet and the velocity can be taken even higher if I choose. What I do like is that the cross-hairs never leave a deer’s body out to 200yds using the velocity mentioned and that’s a big plus for my need.

I respect an individual’s choice in this area and hope your new V2 Magnum Toy meets your expectations.


Ed