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August 20th, 2014, 10:39 AM
#1
Moose tag LOTTERY!!
Just curious, not venting.
Area 38 for rifle. My dad's gang applied with 15 guys for a bull.
No tag. My old gang, my buddies North of Massey, applied 10
guys for a bull and got one. Another gang with 6 guys, and got
a bull. That means no guaranteed large group size for 38 bull.
But with 15 guys, they should have gotten a tag.
Interesting LOTTERY!! Interesting MANAGEMENT!!
Last edited by JF Sabou; August 20th, 2014 at 10:48 AM.
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August 20th, 2014 10:39 AM
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August 20th, 2014, 10:53 AM
#2
The '15 guys' means nothing really unless they were all pool 1. Sorry to hear they didn't get their tag...
How does it work if there is no guaranteed group size? Do they calculate and do the large group allocation? Or does it go right to random draw?
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August 20th, 2014, 10:53 AM
#3
If there is no guaranteed group size then all groups are put in the same pool based on the number of people, at least this is my understanding. You could have groups of 2 people and get a tag if there is no guarantee, it is just luck, it is a lottery.
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August 20th, 2014, 11:05 AM
#4
That's right. The 15 guys (all pool 1) fell individual. Lottery wise, they could have gotten 2 bulls!!
But management wise, 1 bull tag for that group is plenty. Buddy who gets the tag falls into pool
2. They will enjoy being at camp and I'll go and play in the woods with them for a calf. But
it's a management system I question at times.
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August 20th, 2014, 11:53 AM
#5

Originally Posted by
JF Sabou
That's right. The 15 guys (all pool 1) fell individual. Lottery wise, they could have gotten 2 bulls!!
But management wise, 1 bull tag for that group is plenty. Buddy who gets the tag falls into pool
2. They will enjoy being at camp and I'll go and play in the woods with them for a calf. But
it's a management system I question at times.
I think they should turn the whole thing into a lottery, you apply for a minimal fee to get a bull, cow or calf tag, then if you are successful you go hunting. I question how many calves actually survive when you put all predators into place.
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August 20th, 2014, 12:04 PM
#6
Has too much time on their hands

Originally Posted by
sullyy
The '15 guys' means nothing really unless they were all pool 1. Sorry to hear they didn't get their tag...
How does it work if there is no guaranteed group size? Do they calculate and do the large group allocation? Or does it go right to random draw?
Our guarentted group size was 4 in our wmu.. We had 1 p1.. And 3 p2.. We still got a tag... Are you sure its guarentted group of ONLY p1? However the tag won was by the p1 guy..
It does not say anywhere in the regs "guaranteed group of p1" it says guaranteed group size.
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http://firearmrights.ca/
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August 20th, 2014, 12:15 PM
#7
Sure it does. It says pool 1 applicants only are considered in determining the group size.
So your pool 1 guy drew in the Random draw and will be pool 2 next year, and your other three should be pool 2 next year.
Good luck filling that tag!

Originally Posted by
topher
Our guarentted group size was 4 in our wmu.. We had 1 p1.. And 3 p2.. We still got a tag... Are you sure its guarentted group of ONLY p1? However the tag won was by the p1 guy..
It does not say anywhere in the regs "guaranteed group of p1" it says guaranteed group size.
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August 20th, 2014, 12:22 PM
#8
The other guys in the pool stay pool 1. Just the tag holder goes to pool 2.
Topher: The guy must have fallen individual. My buddies gang had 10 guys for
a bull. Not large enough. They fall into the individual draw. Joe got the tag and now
is in pool 2 for next year. Even in a group tag, only the tag holder goes to pool 2.
The gang has to find a new FRIEND to apply in the group.
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August 20th, 2014, 12:26 PM
#9
Has too much time on their hands

Originally Posted by
sullyy
Sure it does. It says pool 1 applicants only are considered in determining the group size.
So your pool 1 guy drew in the Random draw and will be pool 2 next year, and your other three should be pool 2 next year.
Good luck filling that tag!
So.. By that statement.. Assuming all things equal next year, we could end up with 3 bull or cow tags? Since the 3 p1 guys won't meet group size.. And will each draw individual... 3 bulls would kinda suck.. Need a cow in there as well lol..
Member of the OFAH, CCFR/CCDAF.
http://firearmrights.ca/
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August 20th, 2014, 12:34 PM
#10
If there is a guaranteed group size in a WMU, the first draw issues tags to the groups that meet that size. If there are still tags left, it then goes to the next large group size draw. At this stage, even groups that don't meet the size requirements can get a tag. After that draw, if there are still tags left everyone left goes into an individual draw. Our group has been short two pool 1 licences before, and have still gotten a tag. We have also had 1 pool I licence over the guaranteed group size, apply individually and he lucked out and got a tag.
It helps immensely to understand the draw and keep track of data from year to year. We have pretty much had the same group members for several years. That helps out a lot as well.