Definition of Sharing a firearm?

[Sudsee]

@Sinker unless you are a CO I suggest you stop making definitive answers towards the OP as it is just as confusing as everybody else on here. Every time a reg gets argued on here the same thing happens. 5 different answers come out and everybody is sure theirs is correct. To the OP ask a real CO.... Though you may get varying answers from the CO's as well at least it came from the person that will be checking you possibly and not an arm chair CO sitting on this site with nothing to do for hours than to argue everybody else's points. Just because @Sinker is the loudest and maybe correct I wouldn't think that would hold up in the field. If you don't know ask the source not a stranger.

[Sudsee]

This site is better used for tips and sharing stories. The demonstration of Regulation knowledge on here across the board is insane and somebody that is new to hunting/fishing can easily get confused by listening to all of this.

[Bluebulldog]

This site is better used for tips and sharing stories. The demonstration of Regulation knowledge on here across the board is insane and somebody that is new to hunting/fishing can easily get confused by listening to all of this.

This site is also a valuable tool for those who are newer to the outdoors get some insight into how regs are interpreted, and the possible outcomes.

There is literally 100s of years of experience in the field on here. Sure, there is some discussion that inevitably has some disagreement, but in many cases, someone posts a question that has a relatively simple answer. ( a recent thread where a new hunter actually thought high-brass shells were non-toxic comes immediately to mind.)

Members on these boards come from many walks of life, including law enforcement, government, and other occupations that lend themselves to the way laws and regs are written and interpreted.

With respect, don't devalue that, or it's relevance on here. You just want to read outdoor stories, get a subscription to Sporting Classics, or Grays Sporting Journal.

This is a "discussion forum", where things and viewpoints are discussed.....if everyone agreed, it would be a fan page.

[Sudsee]

Didn't say this wasn't a valuable tool for new hunters and I am not discounting the people on here that have the depth, experience, expertise and accreditation behind them to make confident, well-informed and accurate responses. This is a great site to get an interpretation of an opinion or subject but why not leave interpretation of the regulations to those that enforce it. I would love to hear from the law enforcement or government people that are on here on any of these subjects. Discussion forums are great I am a member of a few and everybody is entitled to their opinion and of course not everybody will not agree that's what makes these interesting. When looking at the Regulations/Law there is really not any opinion of interpretation that matters aside from those who enforce it.

[Bluebulldog]

Didn't say this wasn't a valuable tool for new hunters and I am not discounting the people on here that have the depth, experience, expertise and accreditation behind them to make confident, well-informed and accurate responses. This is a great site to get an interpretation of an opinion or subject but why not leave interpretation of the regulations to those that enforce it. I would love to hear from the law enforcement or government people that are on here on any of these subjects. Discussion forums are great I am a member of a few and everybody is entitled to their opinion and of course not everybody will not agree that's what makes these interesting. When looking at the Regulations/Law there is really not any opinion of interpretation that matters aside from those who enforce it.

Actually I fit into the govt and law side of things. And several others on here do as well.

I've found that it doesn't really matter if a bad piece of legislation is written, as it's often the LEO, or the CO who simply lays the charge, and then lets the JP, or OCJ Judge make the call. Either way, good call or bad, it still costs the person who sustains the charge.

With respect to the OPs original question. I would say 2 guns, as long as one was encased and technically not being used would fall on the OK, side of the law. Just to make sure, perhaps throw a trigger lock on the one that's not in use as well, that way an over zealous CO would have a very hard time proving that it was readily accessible.

[Sinker]

I'll shut up when someone posts the answer from a CO. I already know the answer, its the rest of the replies that are confusing.

S.

[redd foxx]

My son got his apprentice card when he was 12 years old and had it until he was 15. When he came hunting it was all about him. One gun, he carried it and he shot it. If/when he harvested game.... great, if he missed...that was okay as well. They were the best times for both of us and still the best of memories for me. Those 3 years were all about him. When he was in school and couldn't go....that was my time. It didn't matter to me what would have been legal or not as far as carrying cased guns, etc. I didn't do it because it was all about his experience, not what I could shoot. He missed lots and shot a few. That was the best of it. I think that is the intention of the system no matter what the legalities are!! When I was out without him and shot game....I was disappointed that he was not there pulling the trigger. Leave the extra gun at home and let him/her do the shooting. I think you'll feel a lot better about the experience.

[TurkeyRookie]

My son got his apprentice card when he was 12 years old and had it until he was 15. When he came hunting it was all about him. One gun, he carried it and he shot it. If/when he harvested game.... great, if he missed...that was okay as well. They were the best times for both of us and still the best of memories for me. Those 3 years were all about him. When he was in school and couldn't go....that was my time. It didn't matter to me what would have been legal or not as far as carrying cased guns, etc. I didn't do it because it was all about his experience, not what I could shoot. He missed lots and shot a few. That was the best of it. I think that is the intention of the system no matter what the legalities are!! When I was out without him and shot game....I was disappointed that he was not there pulling the trigger. Leave the extra gun at home and let him/her do the shooting. I think you'll feel a lot better about the experience.

An excellent post, while the decision on how, and when, to participate is up to each mentor to decide for themselves, and there is no right or wrong, the belief system you had for those three years is a great outlook on the situation.

[shazam]

When my son and I start hunting on his apprentice license, i'll have my gun with us, encased, and unloaded. His will be locked and loaded. Once he shoots his limit, its my turn (if we're so lucky).

Somewhat off the main point, but I see this:

Ontario Hunter Apprenticeship Safety Program

The Hunter Apprenticeship Safety Program allows new hunters to learn from an experienced mentor. It is designed to introduce young people to hunting, but is open to any Ontario resident 12 years of age or older. To participate, you need to pass the Ontario Hunter Education Course, including exam.
When you pass the course, you’ll receive a copy of the Ontario Hunter Education Examination Report. You need to bring this to a ServiceOntario centre that provides hunting licence services to obtain your Ontario Hunter Apprenticeship Safety Card.
Hunter apprentices:

• carry their Ontario Hunter Apprenticeship Safety Card with them while hunting
• hunt under the direct and immediate supervision of a licensed mentor, 18years or older, who holds an Ontario hunting version Outdoors Card of the appropriate class (H1 or H2) and a valid hunting licence for the game being hunted
• share a firearm and a bag limit with their mentor (some exceptions)

from here: https://www.ontario.ca/environment-a...nter-education

which seems to say (regardless of the firearm issue) that you cannot shoot two limits.
For some odd reason, I cannot follow the link to "learn more" from work.

My opinion, for what its worth, is that you must have a single firearm. The instances where you can have a second in a case are pretty explicitly spelled out. The regs even have "Single" in bold type. The old "Ask a CO" questions explictly say you are only allowed one. The intent seems clear that the apprentice is the one who is supposed to be hunting.
Not a CO, but my job is to read and interpret laws and regulations.
Maybe I am wrong. But I (personally. Do what you want) would not risk it.

[Quack_Kills]

[QUOTE=shazam;816693

[which seems to say (regardless of the firearm issue) that you cannot shoot two limits.
For some odd reason, I cannot follow the link to "learn more" from work.]

You have 2 limits (one each) for migratory bird only as it's a federal permit and the apprentice must purchase one. All else is a shared bag limit.