Legality question ?

[Waftrudnir]

... I got started the same way you did.

As most of us got started this or a similar way (be it duck or something else) why are we not advocating for it?
(To the internet police, I'm not saying that you should break the rules, but advocate changing them accordingly)

[Sinker]

Ok, you guys take your kids out and don't let them touch the calls, thats fine. I'm cool with that. My son, however, will blow a call.

Give me the ticket, call me a poacher LOL

S.

[JBen]

At a guess Waftrudr "where do you draw the line" ?
Is it ok for a kid to learn how to call on Marsh while dad shoots? Why not on a Marsh whitout guns present?
Would it then be ok, to send your kid and his friend into the bush to push deer for you?

Look, there are all kinds of similar things. The "law" says it's illegal to interfere with hunts right? And we all know, how we all feel about that. Interference is interference right? Is some interference by Antis ok, and some not? Im betting everyone will say.......

For what its worth I quite like the way its written.
Makes it very possible for COs to charge non hunters when they see stuff they don't like. Say a non hunter harassing Deer non stop....Or to the point where it runs out onto a road and gets smoked.

I couldn't find it, but the MNR has said somewhere....If you let your dog, harass rabbits...well you could be charged, your hunting.

Well as said Sinker, by the letter of the law that is poaching and if its ok to do that....Shall we use our kids to bump and push deer?

Do what you want and too each his own. It will be up to a CO but admit/know you are breaking the law, just as you are when you do 125km, in a 100km zone

[400bigbear]

I seem to break a lot of letters of the law because I still believe that the spirit of the law is not an illusion , and so I am a poacher for letting my kids grow up in the field at my side . Oh well so be it then , but at least my kids got the attention they needed and didn't grow up to mug,steal or rob little old ladies . Not drug dealers either but I guess I made a very big mistake by raising them "my way" and should have left them at home instead in front of the T.V. with their ipods etc to become model citizens of that enviroment instead .

TD

[JBen]

Lol D.
As stated entering into debates between what seem feel is ok (within the spirit) and what not is pointless.
Some have strong feeling about hunting over bait? No? Well the "law" says it's ok.

Its says 30 minutes before/after sunrise and sunset.
Is 40 minutes ok?

See also debates about Ethics.
At the end of the day, the "fallback" is the written letter of the law. Interference is interference, trespassing is trespassing, aiding a hunt is illegal. Hunting without a license.

Done "end of debate".
We all know given the spirit it will be up to the CO, but that doesn't change the underlying fact. The "law" is being broken and you can be charged. Personally I like the fact it makes it very possible to lay charges against non hunters....who harass/injure game and wildlife...

400 yards from bait. Is 350 ok?
Well see what happened to Turkey Rookie.

[400bigbear]

LOL No worries John . Yes the law is the law is the law . And then there is me . I'm spiritual not religious . A good sinner though I be . The Priest though, with his good book shakes his finger . LOL

TD

[JBen]

Guess what Im driving at.

The written letter of the law says once last legal hits.
We cant track a wounded WT and dispatch it.
Bows must be encased.
We must wear orange to and from a stand bear hunting
So many we might list..thousands.
trespassing is trespassing..."I was lost and trying to my home your honor"
Aiding a hunt is illegal

Would we "advise" or suggest to anyone it's ok to walk back to a car 35 minutes past sunset bow/rifle unencased?
Would we suggest its ok to walk to a stand without orange?
Track that wounded WT onto PP...

Its not about what I or anyone feels is right/wrong, whether COs should, will or wont lay a charge. That's up to the COs.

The "written" letter makes it pretty clear.

"to each his own"

[Waftrudnir]

I seem to break a lot of letters of the law because I still believe that the spirit of the law is not an illusion , and so I am a poacher for letting my kids grow up in the field at my side . Oh well so be it then , but at least my kids got the attention they needed and didn't grow up to mug,steal or rob little old ladies . Not drug dealers either but I guess I made a very big mistake by raising them "my way" and should have left them at home instead in front of the T.V. with their ipods etc to become model citizens of that enviroment instead .

TD

I guess there are two very distinct groups, and that's what I like on this forum;-) You get some perspective.
In live there is no absolute right/wrong, good/evil. It would be childish to think that. Speaking of it, in how many differnt juridictions did those of us hunt that love the letter of the law so much that they would never ever even consider that there would be another way doing it? If you get around a bit, you'll soon get a very good appreciation that the only thing that really matters is safety and ethics (no matter where you go and that is not limited th hunting.)

By the way - it's actually a black/white question (so they do exist ;-)), does anyone know how to change your pseudonym without creating a new account?

[JBen]

Only caveat I would add.
Do keep in mind Waftrudir, we aren't in our garages at a table over beer. These are the OOD forums and there are reasons why

Posting pics of OOS fish is a no-no, posting pics of untagged animals is a no-no.

This "debate" comes up a couple times a year, much like the OOS fish, untagged animals. The written letter of the law says......

If someone ask
Is it illegal for my kids to call, while I hunt....theres really only one answer.

[400bigbear]

Yes it is a black / white question and Jben and others are absolutely correct as it is written and will be interpreted in court . But Sinker and I will take it to the Supreme Court of Canada and call it unconstitutional if we got busted because " bla,blah,blah " . LOL . Heck why not ? What can be done and what will be done can be two different things . I don't suggest for anyone to follow our lead . This is OOD after all . Years ago before the apprenticeship program I was there with CO, and OPP hunters and our kids were along as we hunted . Older kids called and younger ones ran the dogs . Poachers we were according to the fine letter of the law . Oh well .

TD