Health Clearances

[Cass]

I was under the impression that hip testing is not valid unless the dog is 24 months of age or older at time of testing.... According the the OFA anyways....

[Sharon]

You're right Cass. You can see the dysplasia as young as 4 months but certification happens only at 2+ years.

http://bakerinstitute.vet.cornell.ed...ge.php?id=1104

[Fargus]

PennHip can be done much younger, but it isn't a subjective pass or fail. It measures laxity of the joint, which doesn't change much with age.

[krakadawn]

So Yellow Dog.......I asked 3 questions from your previous post. You've obviously chosen not to respond. I asked those questions to see if indeed you had some sense of measurements that can be made at such a young age(7-8 weeks) to help in making predictions about the level if any of dysplasia. You reference a criteria yet you fail to quote what that might be.

Here's a quote from Sharon's article:
"The disease is not readily observable in very young dogs. Joints of newborn pups – even those destined to develop hip dysplasia – seem to be structurally and functionally sound. Further, they do not show the characteristic abnormalities revealed"

I also discussed this with my Vet yesterday......would you really like to know his answer about trying to decide at 7 weeks if any hip issues are likely???????

Its amazing what people will post isn't it.....................

[last5oh_302]

You're right Cass. You can see the dysplasia as young as 4 months but certification happens only at 2+ years.

http://bakerinstitute.vet.cornell.ed...ge.php?id=1104

I was under the impression that hip testing is not valid unless the dog is 24 months of age or older at time of testing.... According the the OFA anyways....

And word is, you don't breed (females especially) dogs any earlier than 2, after they have their health clearances and have matured enough, and been titled.

[yellow dog]

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[krakadawn]

Excuse me ! I don't have the luxury of sitting around all day I work full time. I also don't care about your questions and I don't answer to you so get off your fricken high horse. And yes it is amazing how arrogant you really are ........... I would never pass valuable information based on my experience to you anyway. I typically PM members that appreciate it. Get over yourself.

Well, well , Well......I sit around all day, not likely, hunted most of today.......Thank You. You don't have to answer to me , no one ever suggested that. You are accountable for some of your statements and quite frankly you are way off course which is why I asked for you to substantiate your comments. Misleading people the way you do can be viewed as unacceptable and to be honest that is a the way others see it too.

I really don't need any of your help but thanks for the rudeness in your comments....it serves you well!

I suggest you step up, be accountable for your comments and be prepared to be questioned when myself and others see how far off base you are. My heavens, do we really want people thinking they can evaluate the quality of hips at 7-8 weeks.....think about your statements...you are so far off base...totally inaccurate. Does that make me arrogant because I question the silliness in your comments.....I think not. When confronted you resort to rudeness like the above post.

I would suggest you take your own advice, that is if you believe in it at all.

Time to put your big boy pants on and Grow up at least in your approach with comments.

Cheers

[yellow dog]

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[krakadawn]

Again you have twisted it to your liking and I will not answer any of your questions. I have already PM a forum member that was interested in my previous comment to expand on. I would have been more than willing to expand on my comment with background information. But you made it clear in your post how childish you really are when I didn't respond to you right away because i was very busy. You may speak on behalf of a few forum members and that's fine by me, pat yourself on the back. Like I said I share my experience with others on this forum when they ask me by PM. Remember you were the one that approached me in the most arrogant manner because i didn't respond back to you fast enough. It's really a hard pill to swallow taking advice from you. Any time you want to meet face to face over a coffee and chat let me know.

Prost

Jeepers, didn't think it was childish to ask why you hadn't responded. We are all busy...that certainly is not the issue or problem....no one is making it that.

I asked you for measurements and criteria for one reason....it is ludicrous to suggest hip analysis at that age. If you had some information then by all means state your case for all others to see but no you refused and chalked it up to me asking.....what a pity!

By the way I could care less if you find it difficult to take any advice given.....then by all means don't accept any, feel free to limit yourself any which way you feel comfortable in. Although you may disagree, I would see all who participate here are part of the dog breathern....we should be helping each other. Helping also means challenging silly statements or 'old wives tales' if they could potentially result in negative training or negative health advice.

What value for me in having a coffee....I did invite you out to some field trials to broaden your horizons.....same deal.

I think far better to offer up good sound experiential advice to help people with problems they face with their dogs. Be clear though YD that we all have to validate /explain/rationalize our comments otherwise it's just another bunch of internet BS that helps no one.

Hope that nice young springer you have is getting his appetite full of birds for you, I know I have a very tired young lad at my feet from today's outing.

Cheers

[yellow dog]

Well since your such a nice guy all of a sudden and we are all dog breathren I will give you some info to Google.. Major players in performance dogs (sled dogs). Dr. Roland Lombard and Dr. Charles Belford. SEPP Evaluation of Performance Siberian Husky's. I had the humbling experience to take part many years ago in collecting data during an evaluation. Sled dog brethren were way ahead of their time especially the two doctors mentioned above who were vets and top racers and creators of this program. It may lead to measurements, scores, hip dysplaysia , correct movement etc. It was mainly shared with Siberian breeders, racers to improve the overall structure of the breed for its future in the racing sport.

Prost