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November 21st, 2014, 05:11 PM
#41
Originally Posted by
huntrfishr
Fudging the answers mean that they don't believe in it's value. So it's either the MNR hasn't sold this to the public by not giving enough info on it as you say or just plain irresponsible on part of hunters. I don't believe most of us are and if the goal is for conservation and game management then it's a good tool and everyone should welcome it.
Fudging the answers means that the fudger knows that the process is a joke, and, decides to use it with impunity to further his own means. And all the best of intentions in the world from the MNR isn't going to change that.
It isn't that hunter surveys are of no value - it's just that they are pretty well the sole tool that the MNR uses to determine deer herd numbers and age and sex ratios.
I'm all for chopping government. I've even built a guillotine.
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November 21st, 2014 05:11 PM
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November 21st, 2014, 05:23 PM
#42
Originally Posted by
Bigbear
It isn't that hunter surveys are of no value - it's just that they are pretty well the sole tool that the MNR uses to determine deer herd numbers and age and sex ratios.
All the more reason to fil them out properly and submit them....the least we can do as Hunters.
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November 21st, 2014, 05:47 PM
#43
One of the OODMag issues this summer had an article about how deer tag quotas were set. I can;t seem to find it.
EDIT - Its the September "Hunting Annual" issue. Its in the OFAH member section in the centre of the issue entitled "Why Ontario hunters are seeing deer deal cuts by the thousands". Go to page 50 and flip a couple more through the un-numbered section).
Originally Posted by
werner.reiche
That's a BS rumour about the MTO collision data. I checked into this in 2009 with the OPP (its actually them, not MTO) - and this data is not readily available.
According to the article I just mentioned, they are indeed used.
"Vehicle collision data provided by the Ministry of transportation...."
Last edited by blasted_saber; November 21st, 2014 at 05:55 PM.
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November 21st, 2014, 07:01 PM
#44
Originally Posted by
blasted_saber
One of the OODMag issues this summer had an article about how deer tag quotas were set. I can;t seem to find it.
EDIT - Its the September "Hunting Annual" issue. Its in the OFAH member section in the centre of the issue entitled "Why Ontario hunters are seeing deer deal cuts by the thousands". Go to page 50 and flip a couple more through the un-numbered section).
According to the article I just mentioned, they are indeed used.
"Vehicle collision data provided by the Ministry of transportation...."
If you can find that data - either from the MTO or OPP, I'd be interested in it. But I suspect you'll find as I did that it doesn't exist. Try getting in touch with MTO or OPP about it. The only evidence I found of anyone tracking this is some cities do. Hamilton was one - there were a few others as well.
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November 21st, 2014, 07:09 PM
#45
Originally Posted by
werner.reiche
If you can find that data - either from the MTO or OPP, I'd be interested in it. But I suspect you'll find as I did that it doesn't exist. Try getting in touch with MTO or OPP about it. The only evidence I found of anyone tracking this is some cities do. Hamilton was one - there were a few others as well.
Just because they wont give it to you (the public) doesnt mean they dont have it.
MTO and MNR are both part of the OPS, im they're a little more open with data between themselves.
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November 21st, 2014, 07:12 PM
#46
Originally Posted by
blasted_saber
Just because they wont give it to you (the public) doesnt mean they dont have it.
MTO and MNR are both part of the OPS, im they're a little more open with data between themselves.
They don't refuse to release it - they said it doesn't exist. 20+ years ago, this data information was kept and published, but doesn't seem to be anymore.
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November 21st, 2014, 08:41 PM
#47
So why would the OFAH print it was used then?
Originally Posted by
werner.reiche
They don't refuse to release it - they said it doesn't exist. 20+ years ago, this data information was kept and published, but doesn't seem to be anymore.
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November 21st, 2014, 08:50 PM
#48
Hey...you're preaching to the choir! Go out and convert the heathens!
I'm all for chopping government. I've even built a guillotine.
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November 22nd, 2014, 04:22 AM
#49
Here's a link to a Deer Density report prepared by the MNR for the Ancaster area. If you read/scan thru you see the sources they use to gather the data for the report....(yes they even get the Vehicle collision data from the OPP page 9)
As you can see they gather data from a variety of sources, most however is done by aerial surveys (helicopter).
The deer density results for the Ancaster area are on page 20...
http://www.animalalliance.ca/wp-cont...rch11-2010.pdf
Last edited by MikePal; November 22nd, 2014 at 05:59 AM.
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