Permission for Deer Retrieval

[Mount Sweetness]

Wow, 10 pages of this crap

[Deerslayer99]

Werner.....where the deer was shot, we had permission to hunt....this is up north also......we tracked it onto property where we got permission to retrieve it....we tracked it and it crossed the road....this is where we found it on property we had no clue who owned.....100 yards off the road.....no signs, no fences, no nothing and also a hydro cut was between us and the deer....we could see her laying there from the hydro cut....just inside this section of property we didn't know who owned it....we made a decision to just go and get her.....she was right there right....wrong....at this point it was dark....someone seen the blood in the morning, called the MNR/cops....they were everywhere.....were the only group in this area hunting so it wasn't hard to do there onsite investigation and when we got stopped we told the truth that yes it was us who shot it.....thinking ok, we will get a simple trespassing charge....wrong again.....its amazing how fast charges can amount to over a simple thing.....and don't kid yourself, lots of guys on here would have done the same thing.....we did think about calling the MNR to see if we could just go get her and not have to wait until whenever for them to show up but decided not to and just do it.....its not like we were night hunting, poaching, endangering lives of people but the way it went down was crazy....I honestly would to have like to have known the exact conversation/ complaint because it was like a huge drug bust went down with the amount of CO's and cops around....so thinking this was going to be ok turned into a nightmare....god forbid the ones who actually go out and do poach illegally and get caught.......the CO told me we have to get permission and so do they to go onto there property....all one can do is walk straight to door and walk straight back off the land if denied .....the CO would then explain to them what there legal obligation is now since there is a downed animal on there property possibly and that they CANNOT let it spoil or they now are held liable, most owners at this point say go get it.....I asked in court also about this and yes its true....the owner takes all liability now in making sure it is processed and not let to spoil....if not, charges will be laid......

Mark270wsm......the land owner cannot let it rot knowingly....I was in court, not you, this is what was explained

Gooseman.....we were under the impression we could track wounded game....had we known who owned it, we would have asked....

[Deerslayer99]

Mount Sweetness.....I don't think this is crap at all...stop reading it then but there is people who are misunderstood for things and think they know everything when it comes to hunting and fishing laws but actually know jack ......even I didn't think it was going to be this big of a deal over a simple trespassing charge but it was.....a lot of people think the same way as I did with this given issue.....didn't think we would get 3 charges out of this.....between the 3 of us it was $3200 in total fines and my case was dropped as I was not sworn in before the court so the total would have been $6000....ALL OVER A SIMPLE TRESPASSING ACT......

[brent]

Sounds like u were hit really hard by the courts. Normally when this happens there is more to it then meets the eye.

[brent]

As for landowner being charged I think that is complete and utter BS.

Is the landowner in possession of all animals on his land????
Prove the landowner knows the deer is there.
Prove the deer is actually on the landowners property.

A few things that need to be taken into consideration.

[Deerslayer99]

Brent.....nothing more to it at all......have nothing to hide and that is why we admitted to it instead of playing stupid.....as Mark270wsm posted with the charges, they were the charges....once you do an illegal act all your legal acts become illegal...ie.....tagging of deer became now an illegal tagged deer, trespassing, transporting of an illegal deer etc etc......total BS in my eyes but this is what happened and that was that.....hit hard yes we were....the guy before us in court shot a cow moose thinking it was a calf.....$500 fine and loss of license for 1 year plus retake the hunter safety course.....we never loss our privileges thank god.....

[Deerslayer99]

Brent.....once the CO makes the landowner aware of a downed animal on there land and they do nothing about it is when they can get into trouble.....that is what we were told....

[JoePa]

Good read Deerslayer - but you made one very big mistake - and I understand why you did it - was admitting that it was your group that shot and got the deer - that's why it is best not to say anything - you would be surprised how many people get themselves into trouble because they talk too much - any lawyer will advise you to not say anything when asked - and provide only information required by law at the time - even if your group was the only ones hunting in that area doesn't mean that you were the guilty party - someone driving by could have seen the deer and taken it - it would have been very difficult for them to prove that it was you who took the deer - I take it no one actually saw you go and get it -

[Deerslayer99]

under provincial law there is no set fine fee....that is how everyone can get different $$ amounts for the same offence......discriminatory in my eyes but it is what it is.....we will never get it changed.....especially with our case....the guy who shot the deer only got a $350 fine for trespassing and the other guy in party $1000 for the same thing.....

[Deerslayer99]

JoePa......a vehicle went past us with the deer on our ATV after dark.....I believe it all stemmed from this and that is why I would really liked to have known what the actual complaint was and what lies were told to get so much heat in to investigate