Permission for Deer Retrieval

[mark270wsm]

gilroy like i said a call to the mnr is required if you find a shot deer on your land... case in point 4 years ago in 72a during shotgun season a big buck was shot crossed a county road and ended up on a ladies front yard .. the guys tracked it to the road and were in the process of taking it off the ladies yard and she told them to leave.. they called the mnr and opp big fight lady got to keep the deer and the boys where told they could be charged.... long story .. call mnr and you can keep the deer .

[Gilroy]

There is No dispute here about calling the MNR,all I,am saying is the little old lady or any other landowner still needs a permit to possess the meat.

[brent]

Mark,

I believe you might be wrong here.LOL The landowner would need to cover himself for any possession of deer meat,especially in this circumstance where a aggrieved hunter would drop a dime on him and claim he was in possession of a deer either being tagged which the landowner COULD NOT DO or alternately have a permit to possess.

So I agree a phone call is needed and the CO then could decide to issue a permit OR if the CO decides he/she could seize the deer and have it otherwise disposed of.

I believe the issuance of a permit is at the discretion of the CO.

It is just done online now. I don't think anyone at the MNR really cares. lol.

[brent]

Deerslayer,

Your circumstance of being charged was rather unfortunate and althought it sounds pretty anal,the previous advice from the MNR is pretty straighforward.

If you find yourself having to track a wounded deer and its getting near end of legal hours.The guns have to be encased period and a phone call made to the nearest MNR office or 800 number after hours.

They have indicated they will entertain permission to allow you to follow up on tracking that deer.

Having done that you take away any allegations about night poaching and so forth.Now your entry onto private land might still have you dropped in ka,ka but at least you have the back up call you made to the MNR.

Had you made that call things may have ended better,the complainant for the trespass could have been informed that the MNR were aware you were out looking and conveyed that to the complainant.

I know in real life there is a good possibility the MNR may not get back to you BUT THE CALL YOU MADE at least covers you for trying to ensure a deer did not spoil.

If the MNR did not show,you phone records the attempt.I would then call the OPP and try via them,as they have direct contact.

UNFORTUNATELY YOU LEFT YOURSELF WIDE OPEN.

Just a little story for you guys and how things CAN work out if you do the right thing.

About 10 years ago on the last day of Moose hunting season I dropped into a friends hunting camp to say hi and goodbye for the season.Its 10am in the morning and 5 guys are milling around the porch looking rather sheepish.I had stopped hunting because early that day it was pea soup fog and real hard to see.

Anyway the story comes out that they see a Cow and Calf cross the road in front of their truck and head towards a small pond.They
jump out (in the fog) and proceed to surround the pond.One hunter see,s what he thinks is a calf and drops it.Its the cow and they have no tag.

The animal has been down for 1/2hr and is not gutted and the camp captain tells me he has made a phone call to a personal number for the local CO.They get no reply and I tell the camp owner that the CO might not be working or even be away on vacation.Doing nothing is not an option.

Long story short I call a local OPP guy I know,tell him whats happened.He tells me to immediately start cleaning the Moose (save spoliage) and he would try for the MNR guys.

So we all go to the BIG COW lying by the pond and we clean it out and put a BIG ORANGE TARP over it.I look around and locate the calf tracks and make sure they are preserved.

Two rookie MNR guys show up from the Minden office with a trailer some 2 hours later.The hunter who make the kill tells the complete story.The Moose gets seized and he gets a $400.00 out of court settlement POT on the spot.

I heard later he set a date for court,there was some error on the ticket and the charge was stayed.

By "entertain" are you saying the MNR will give you permission to enter private land??

[400bigbear]

By "entertain" are you saying the MNR will give you permission to enter private land??

You're a very difficult and anal lad at times , Brent . Gilroys story has the ring of truth and I have heard of a few that turned out EXACTLY the same including the $400 fine . You just can't make this shat up .

TD

[SK33T3R]

You're a very difficult and anal lad at times , Brent . Gilroys story has the ring of truth and I have heard of a few that turned out EXACTLY the same including the $400 fine . You just can't make this shat up .
TD

BIG BEAR speaking of shat You posted this at 4:01 this morning AM !!!

old saying about early risers

"What'd you do? Shat the bed?"

no offence intended just amazes me how early some guys are up!

Getting back to the blog

The comments here have gone in so many direction from so many know-it-alls to so many know-nothing alls.
Would be lawyers, wanna be lawyers, gracious landowners, landowners looking for a confrontation. ALL OVER THE MAP!

I do have retrieval permission all around me for as far as I think a deer would go BUT some deer just don't read the script.

For those other properties I just tiptoe in - no weapons - very quietly and drag the deer out - guts and all. Sometimes after dark if necessary.

No one is non the wiser - there are no conflicts or stirring up of any anti-hunters etc. the tranquility of the forest is maintained and there is no anti-hunter fuel added to the fire.

If I'm ever caught I'm smart enough to play stupid and apologise profusely. (every trespasser I've ever caught does this well with a promise to never return) Almost always this works for them and me! And I would abide by my one time pass also!

There have been a few deer that just went through the nonpermissioned properties and just kept going back to my other permission granted properties. If I had gone and asked and was refused - the search would have ended with the assumption the deer was on the property. I would never have known it came out somewhere else.

Also our area is coyote infested. If you leave any deer in the woods you have about a 20% chance of getting anything back. I personally have lost 5. my brother 2, one of my moose hunting guys - 4 I think. 3 of those deer had coyotes on them within the first half hour after the shot! You could hear them going at it while you sat in the tree! One doe I shot ran 80yds and piled up in the field in clear sight. A coyote strolled out and cut across between us and picked up the blood trail. I watched for about 5 minutes and when it started yanking out fur from the flank I was out of the tree and running at it hollering. I got to about 20 yds before it ran off, Stubborn little bugger!

So if I waited till the morning to seek permission then why bother?

FYI for all you guys hunting in big farm area or in the endless north where everyone gets along please try to understand that down here in our neck of the woods it's different. Small properties, a constant flipping of new owners buying in. Non hunters getting there piece of the pie etc etc etc.

you guys are on the outside looking in and us guys are on the inside looking out!

This is what works for me and I sleep with a clear conscience every day!


big bear I just reviewed my post and see that yours was at 7:11 NOT 4;01am ..

I guess I better go back to school HAH! you must have edited or something I'm sure I seen 4:01am

HMMM

[brent]

You're a very difficult and anal lad at times , Brent . Gilroys story has the ring of truth and I have heard of a few that turned out EXACTLY the same including the $400 fine . You just can't make this shat up .

TD

Just trying to understand if Gilroy is saying the MNR will give you permission to enter to private land to retrieve a deer. If that makes me very difficult or anal so be it. Lots of guys don't really even bother following any laws most of the time anyways eh Trapper!!

And the moose story is quite common. I'm not sure how many people report themselves though...A gang went thru the exact same thing here as well last year, shooting a yearling with a cow thinking it was a calf. Got the fine on the spot and the moose was confiscated.

[LondonDave]

BIG BEAR speaking of shat You posted this at 4:01 this morning AM !!!




big bear I just reviewed my post and see that yours was at 7:11 NOT 4;01am ..

I guess I better go back to school HAH! you must have edited or something I'm sure I seen 4:01am

HMMM

Nope you were right the first time. No detention for you...lol Posted at 4:01am, last online at 7:11am. I post in the wee hours of the morning but I work night shift so I'm up anyway.

[Gilroy]

By "entertain" are you saying the MNR will give you permission to enter private land??

No not at all,I specifically stated

Now your entry onto private land might still have you dropped in ka,ka but at least you have the back up call you made to the MNR.

If you read on from there you will see that I stated at least the MNR could advise the landowner that they knew a hunter was following a track of a deer,they were not night poaching.

But the hunter would still have needed permission to enter the neighbours field.

[Gilroy]

SK33t3r.

"For those other properties I just tiptoe in - no weapons - very quietly and drag the deer out - guts and all. Sometimes after dark if necessary."

"FYI for all you guys hunting in big farm area or in the endless north where everyone gets along please try to understand that down here in our neck of the woods it's different. Small properties, a constant flipping of new owners buying in. Non hunters getting there piece of the pie etc etc etc"

Taking into consideration the properties are small,some owners you dont know,Non hunters having the nerve to buy properties,I personally would not embark on the course of action you suggest in the first quote.

You leave yourself open to trespass charges,allegations of night poaching and so forth.You can play stupid and apologize but basically that might not work.Would it not be simpler to make that call to the local MNR to follow up on that deer and get permission from a landowner.

The ASK A CO webpage actually eludes to hunting small properties and suggests the common sense notion that "everybody is in a no win situation" when a deer goes onto anothers persons land.