smokeless powder in a muzzle-loader

[skypilot]

A perfect example of someone trying to do something that they were not capable of [no knowledge], not referring to you "skypilot."

I know you weren't Jaycee. You're correct, he never thought the thread might be other than SAE and didn't check. Swapped it out, never hunted/shot it again and had to sell due to a pregnant wife.

Seems it was a "FIE" from Italy or something. Everyone just has to be extremely careful, especially on a preowned or BP firearm. I thought I had done due diligence but was hurt anyway.

[jaycee]

Jaycee

Not sure how to interpret your last post about DUPLEX LOADS.
If someone is not familiar with duplex loads is one thing but some who are knowledgeable about Duplex loads then I disagree with your post.

I thought I made it perfectly clear when I said " especially the ones that know next to nothing and start experimenting "

[ET1]

I thought I made it perfectly clear when I said " especially the ones that know next to nothing and start experimenting "

Fair enough and point taken.

Ed

[Bushbaby]

I see that among ml11 owners there is a strongly held belief that they are the strongest and safest muzzleloaders. Is this based only upon the fact that they will digest smokeless powder or is there something that I am missing?

[ET1]

I see that among ml11 owners there is a strongly held belief that they are the strongest and safest muzzleloaders. Is this based only upon the fact that they will digest smokeless powder or is there something that I am missing?

The 10ML-II barrels are quenched and tempered like CF barrels to withstand high pressures. Other ML manufacturers do not use this strength or quality of steel for their barrels.


Ed

[Bushbaby]

Thanks Ed. That explains the strength. But does that also make it safer? It would seem to me that a rifle that could handle an extra bit of powder without fear of blowing up might be a bit safer. I am not trying to trash your rifles, they are really nice looking guns and I have no doubt that eventually I might end up with one. I'm just trying to learn and some of the claims seem a bit frivolous.

[ET1]

Bush baby

I understand your apprehension and agree you should learn and look deeper before making any decisions. That is the smart thing to do before making any commitment.

Ed

[Gun Nut]

He obviously missed Firearm Safety Course 101, never use smokeless powder in black powder gun. That looks like an inline modern made muzzle loader, he might have thought it had the strength to handle a smokeless charge. It might have, had he used the 40% rule of thumb when substituting a smokeless powder charge for a black powder charge. Instead it would appear he used the same number of grains call for when using black powder ( something like the powder found in three 20 gauge shot shells). If you don't know anything about powders, it easy to make such a mistake. My dad did the same using his dad's black powder measures to reload 3 drams of red dot smokeless powder into 12 gauge shot-shells. Oddly enough, a more modern single barrel shotgun, was able to take the charge. However when he touched off his father's older double barrel Belgium, the barrel were blown off the frame and struck the shed wall next to a two storey window. Father was very luck, he only ended up with about six bird shot in his thumb.

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