Remington Model 700 Muzzleloader

[Fox]

I guess I need these.

http://www.eabco.com/PrecisionRifle.html

Well, I need a smoke pole first.

[MikePal]

I guess I need these. http://www.eabco.com/PrecisionRifle.html

yes but buy/shop Canadian..those are made in Manitoba at Precision Bullets...

https://www.prbullet.com/

[Fox]

yes but buy/shop Canadian..those are made in Manitoba at Precision Bullets...

https://www.prbullet.com/

Perfect

I could not figure out why in a shotgun or a muzzle loader that you need such poor bullet designs when increasing the velocity.

If you start with 1500fps and you hold 1000fps at 100 yards it is a lot better than starting at 2500fps and ending up with 800fps at 100 yards.

I know the numbers are not correct but you get the idea.

[old243]

I have the original model 700ml. had problems with the #11 primers . Got the 209 adapter, It shoots good but primer flash is dirty, and the spent primer is hard to remove. precision is marketing a different breach plug that encloses the primer, and a modification to the bolt, was looking online . He also has an adapted brass insert the size of a 209 primer that you can reload with small rifle primers. I got these a couple of years ago but they wouldn't work with my 209 adapter.Guessing I need the new breach plug and bolt adapter.
Regarding the precision duplex dead center bullet , 190 gr, 358 . tried some and shoot good, I was just targeting. Haven't shot anything with it exept a porky. Usually by the time our black powder season is here, There is too much snow and too cold for my liking. I think sometimes , I am just getting soft. old243

[Final Flight]

Lets try this again, now back to the original post. Is a gun that can handle 200 gr. better than an inline which you can buy(no name brands mentioned) for 229 dollars which can handle 150 gr. It will not be any more accurate. Will it shoot farther? Maybe, but it will not be any more accurate.

[MikePal]

A lot of variables to answer that question....accurate to what range ?

Basically;

Any of the $300 in-line ML's will put you 1" of bull at 100 yds with 2 pellets (100gr) of T7.

Sticking with Black Powder...what is being talked about with the new Remington Ultimate is being accurate out to 400 yds. To achieve this, you have to flatten out the trajectory, speed up the bullet and try to defy gravity a little longer...so it was designed to use 200 gr of T7.

Then you get into bullet selection etc etc...

It depends on what you plan on using your ML for; but the simple answer is. YES these $300 ML are just as accurate as the $1000 ML for the average guy shooting 200 yds.

[Fox]

Has anyone shot 150-200gr of black powder?
It is my understanding that larger loads of BP require longer barrels to burn it.

How much of this powder is just going to end up in the snow in front of you?

[Final Flight]

I have tried 150 grains in several bp. My results(again my results) showed decrease accuracy over 100 gr. of triple seven. The only thing I found it to do was to increase cost and kick. I've said it before and I'll say it again, stuffing more bp down a barrel does not impress me. Remington will sell some of these, I would rather buy a $229 dollar bp.

[MikePal]

I have tried 150 grains in several bp. My results(again my results) showed decrease accuracy over 100 gr. of triple seven. The only thing I found it to do was to increase cost and kick. I've said it before and I'll say it again, stuffing more bp down a barrel does not impress me. Remington will sell some of these, I would rather buy a $229 dollar bp.

I just ran my BP load again this fall and again found that at 50 yds, my groupings improved as I incrementally reduced the powder load from 100 grs to 80 grs. Less is better with these in-lines.

My Traditions Pursuit cost me $225 at Walmart in the US about 14yrs ago....it's been hitting bulls eyes and dropping deer and turkey since.