Best in Show ; a Canuck Beagle !!!

[yellow dog]

Need to remember not everyone hunts and people still like the other qualities show breeds have to offer. No one is forcing you to purchase a show line dog. You will always have your field bred bloodlines and your show bloodlines to choose from. I have found with the show bloodlines a consistent representation of the breed for the most part but not so much with the field, working lines. The show bred bloodlines will never revert back to what they use to be because times have changed and purpose of the what is required the dogs duty to do. I have learned very much from show breeders and field bloodline breeders and you would be surprised how much good both have done. If you can do better then invest the time and huge sums of money and develop a breeding program to benefit your chosen breed. Highly unlikely.

[last5oh_302]

10 Breeds You Love But the Westminster Judges Don't

http://www.vetstreet.com/dogs/10-pop...nster-dog-show

[Fenelon]

Sorry, wasnt mocking the Alsatian, was mocking the people who deformed them in the 80's, I also despise the breeders who create 100+ lb Rottweilers and a huge list of others.
I think the "Brazilian mastiff" you refer to, is the Fila Brasilero, a fine dog, from a good breeder ( hard to find outside of Brazil) but the Fila I owned was a Cao de Fila de Sau Miguell ( doubt I spelled that right my Portuguese is rusty). An entirely different breed, for an entirely different job. They are more like a rough border collie, used for catching feral cattle and guarding ranches. Guess thats more like an old American Bulldog.

Thanks Thunderbelly. I had never even heard of this breed. I think I like the look of the dog with its ears natural. I've never seen round ear-cropping like that. Looks like a hyena head in the pics. They look like one solid dog. I've seen heelers work cattle and they're half the size. These guys look like they'd be bull-rollers.

[MikePal]

Yea, sometimes you can't breed out the bad traits....LOL....

[BDH]

Need to remember not everyone hunts and people still like the other qualities show breeds have to offer. No one is forcing you to purchase a show line dog. You will always have your field bred bloodlines and your show bloodlines to choose from. I have found with the show bloodlines a consistent representation of the breed for the most part but not so much with the field, working lines. The show bred bloodlines will never revert back to what they use to be because times have changed and purpose of the what is required the dogs duty to do. I have learned very much from show breeders and field bloodline breeders and you would be surprised how much good both have done. If you can do better then invest the time and huge sums of money and develop a breeding program to benefit your chosen breed. Highly unlikely.

I would not hesitate to say that the majority of sporting, working and hounds are in homes that do not hunt. However, is it not the obligation of the breeder and confirmation judges to maintain standards that conform to the breeds original purpose. You state " The show bred bloodlines will never revert back to what they use to be because times have changed and purpose of the what is required the dogs duty to do" . The purpose of what the dog is required to do has NOT changed. It is a working dog, or hunter. If it becomes the family pet it should still have inherited qualities to work or hunt and should not have been altered to somebodies artistic eye.

I agree , no body is forcing me to purchase a dog from show lines. How ever, when I see show dogs that are being tested in field events, that have been purchase by hunters not understanding the difference in a CH vs FDX I get frustrated. This is why I maintain that a show with the coverage of the Westminster should have a prerequisites that working, sporting and hounds have an accomplishment other than winner of multiple bench titles.


Dick

[yellow dog]

I would not hesitate to say that the majority of sporting, working and hounds are in homes that do not hunt. However, is it not the obligation of the breeder and confirmation judges to maintain standards that conform to the breeds original purpose. You state " The show bred bloodlines will never revert back to what they use to be because times have changed and purpose of the what is required the dogs duty to do" . The purpose of what the dog is required to do has NOT changed. It is a working dog, or hunter. If it becomes the family pet it should still have inherited qualities to work or hunt and should not have been altered to somebodies artistic eye.

I agree , no body is forcing me to purchase a dog from show lines. How ever, when I see show dogs that are being tested in field events, that have been purchase by hunters not understanding the difference in a CH vs FDX I get frustrated. This is why I maintain that a show with the coverage of the Westminster should have a prerequisites that working, sporting and hounds have an accomplishment other than winner of multiple bench titles.


Dick

Some of the dogs did have working titles such as the Flat Coated Retriever who had a JH and a few other titles as well. It bothers me as well and believe it should be a prerequisite for them to acquire working titles but the yellow Lab entered in the Westminster was waay too big . If I were to purchase a show dog today it wouldn't be a Lab but would lean towards a less popular breed out of show/working lines such as a Chesapeake or Vizsla. People most definitely need to be educated on the difference between the field lines and show before a purchase is made. But most people just want a family pet that is good with children and may never hunt with them. I had a couple of Golden Retrievers many years ago out of English show lines and they still had inherited qualities to work but not a field trial level but for the most part that is what I wanted at the time. I use to train show Siberian Huskies for one of Canada's top producing kennels. I worked them in harness fall and winter to keep them in shape for the show ring. They displayed all the excitement of the working bloodline Siberian Husky's but by mile twenty they would crash mentally and physically. The damage was done because of a breeding program that went in a completely different direction they were intended for . They were beautiful looking animals but unfortunately they were not the same animals that were imported during the 1920's . Thankfully people are still breeding the old bloodlines and they are alive and doing well. Two different markets that both have a demand for.

[thunderbelly]

Kinda like buying a McLaren to go get groceries.