Take a look at this picture.

[Goose smasher]

[QUOTE=Fox;881040]Always good to show the beard in pictures you put up, a tag would be a requirement for posting a picture on this board.

Correct!

[trimmer21]

People have been charged by the MNRF for not applying the game seal right after the kill and at the kill site due to pictures on the internet. If you put pictures on the internet you better understand that those pictures can be seen by everyone. You have an obligation to seal the game immediately after the kill and at the kill site if a seal needs to be applied to the game, that means before pictures.

The use of pictures as evidence has some significant challenges when presented in Court and are only admissable under strict evidentury conditions and guidelines. By no means is it the "norm". Just because "tags" aren't visible doesn't mean they weren't applied properly. Just because there's no photographic evidence that shows they were properly applied,there can be no inference that they weren't,either,by the same token. It must be proven by other means in order for a charge to be laid. There's nothing showing the date,either. This could have been a fall hunt where any gender may be taken.

[Fox]

The use of pictures as evidence has some significant challenges when presented in Court and are only admissable under strict evidentury conditions and guidelines. By no means is it the "norm". Just because "tags" aren't visible doesn't mean they weren't applied properly. Just because there's no photographic evidence that shows they were properly applied,there can be no inference that they weren't,either,by the same token. It must be proven by other means in order for a charge to be laid. There's nothing showing the date,either. This could have been a fall hunt where any gender may be taken.

You have to prove that the game seal was applied immediately after the kill and at the kill site, if the CO decides to charge you with not doing such based on a picture then you are SOL. It is not the norm to nail normal every day people, but if someone complains, even legally killed animals who have not been sealed properly can gain the attention of the MNRF. If you have someone on your facebook, twitter, instagram, online forums, who do not have the same view as you then you may just happen to run into this problem.

This is one of the reasons this requirement is set in the rules of this board. They will not support something illegal or possibly illegal, without proof of a legal harvest you may not be legal and therefore you cannot post a picture here.

In the spring most people on here show pictures of both the bird and the tag of the bird, unless you are MikePal, he just showed the plucked turkey in a roasting pan .

[trimmer21]

You have to prove that the game seal was applied immediately after the kill and at the kill site, if the CO decides to charge you with not doing such based on a picture then you are SOL. It is not the norm to nail normal every day people, but if someone complains, even legally killed animals who have not been sealed properly can gain the attention of the MNRF. If you have someone on your facebook, twitter, instagram, online forums, who do not have the same view as you then you may just happen to run into this problem.



This is one of the reasons this requirement is set in the rules of this board. They will not support something illegal or possibly illegal, without proof of a legal harvest you may not be legal and therefore you cannot post a picture here.

In the spring most people on here show pictures of both the bird and the tag of the bird, unless you are MikePal, he just showed the plucked turkey in a roasting pan .

If the Turkey legs without tags applied were in the picture,I would agree,but,they're not. Because of that,there's no evidence that they weren't properly tagged. Therefore,from the photos,no evidence exists,so,no charge can be laid.

[Goose smasher]

Fall turkey season is in mid october when the leaves are still on the tree's. No leaves on the tree's in that picture.

[rick_iles]

The fall season is in mid october when all the leaves are still on the tree's so its not a fall picture. That "young jake" is a hen clear as day.

1. Brown feathers
2. Very small
3. Full round tail fan that is half the size of the tom
4.Look at the head! It has feathers right to the top. Just like a hen because it is a hen 100% no question about it.

If its a bearded hen why call it a "young jake"? Having shot more turkeys then most and done lots of guiding for many years it is clear that that is no jake.

Definitely not a hen. Enlarge the picture, the tips of the feathers are clearly black with irredescent sheen. Males have black tipped feathers and females have buff or brown tips. I spent a lot of hours in a tent with a MNRF biologist doing trap and transfer, and I've handled a lot of live birds. Definitely not a hen ! Maybe that's why they haven't done anything about your concerns !

[Fox]

If the Turkey legs without tags applied were in the picture,I would agree,but,they're not. Because of that,there's no evidence that they weren't properly tagged. Therefore,from the photos,no evidence exists,so,no charge can be laid.

I agree, you do not need to show evidence of the game seal, but it is a good idea to show proof as it removes all doubt. Taking a picture of a buck with no seal on the antler is an easy one, turkeys are not so much.

To me it looks like a hen, the head can be seen and it is very dark. It would not matter if there were a beard in the spring or a fall hunt, but if it was a hen why would they say it was a jake?

[rick_iles]

You have to prove that the game seal was applied immediately after the kill and at the kill site, if the CO decides to charge you with not doing such based on a picture then you are SOL. It is not the norm to nail normal every day people, but if someone complains, even legally killed animals who have not been sealed properly can gain the attention of the MNRF. If you have someone on your facebook, twitter, instagram, online forums, who do not have the same view as you then you may just happen to run into this problem.

This is one of the reasons this requirement is set in the rules of this board. They will not support something illegal or possibly illegal, without proof of a legal harvest you may not be legal and therefore you cannot post a picture here.

In the spring most people on here show pictures of both the bird and the tag of the bird, unless you are MikePal, he just showed the plucked turkey in a roasting pan .

Huh !!!!! The last I heard the burden of proof lies with the crown !

[Gern1980]

Exactly Rick Isles!!!! Man I laugh at all this internet perspective. Ya probably spring. Ya I think it might be a hen. Ya I am guessing some clown doesn't know the difference between a young jake and a hen. Maybe Rick is right and it is a jake. Other than that I think it's a nice picture. End of story.

People have been charged by the MNRF for not applying the game seal right after the kill and at the kill site due to pictures on the internet. If you put pictures on the internet you better understand that those pictures can be seen by everyone. You have an obligation to seal the game immediately after the kill and at the kill site if a seal needs to be applied to the game, that means before pictures.

The only way that would happen if if some idiot actually did something wrong and an INVESTIGATION determined there was a violation. If a picture was the catalyst to initiate the investigation then fine BUT it is up to them to prove something.

Let me give you a scenario: Guy shoots deer in US on game farm where there is no tag. Guy then comes home to Ontario and like so many internet gurus, wants to feel special and important on that Huntonatrio forum where he posts all the time so he puts up his pic and say "hey I got me dandy". he tells a wonderful tale of hunting Simcoe County Forest Publci land and still hunhting this big buck and killing him. Pure BS. Pic shows no tag and the deer sitting in the back of the truck. MNR shows up at his door because they think they have proof of infraction. What is the guy guilty of? What do they charge him with? Lying to his internet buddies to try and make himself look cool?

Heck go the other way. Guy poaches an animal illegally and puts it on the board. MNR shows up at his house becuase of a complaint. Guy says he just put a picture he photoshopped or took from two years ago in a different location so he could look cool to his internet buddies. What do they charge him with? Lying to his internet buddies to look cool? Course not! Now if they INVESTIGATE and find something concrete then THAT is why he is charged. Not because of a dam pic on the internet.

[DGM999]

I was told by the examiner for my turkey license that if a hen has a beard she's fair game, I have met women with a mustache.