The chickens are coming home to roost

[fishy steve]

again though, still not sure why libs are getting heat on this one?????? this has bin happening long before the libs took over a majority government... just nows it happening in toronto, so the whole world needs to stop...

up here the near north district school board, has bin cutting back for years, theyve bin closeing and almagamating schools.. most the the middle schools (grades 7 and 8) have bin moved into high schools, so almost all of our high schools now are from grades 7-12), and they have bin closeing down 2 schools, and moving them into the empty buildings that were left vacant from the middle schools... in mattawa they are even talking about only haveing one school there, JK-12. staff gets laid off when they do these closeures... its business really, schools get their funding based on number of students, so lets say you have 2 schools that have 1000 kids in each, and the board gets $1million (figuritive number, costs alot more) to run the the schools. (salaries, maintenance, hydro etc.) well couple years down the road, enrolment drops to 500 in each school, so the board now gets half the funding, but still has all the costs of running the schools, so naturally they are gonna close 1 school, have all the kids in 1 school, which will also mean less staff...

for the record, im not defending liberals...

[JBen]

Because Steve, had they done a better job managing things to begin with….If they weren't beggars begging for cash and raiding our pockets for every $ they can squeeze .If they hadn't gone nuts from say 2004 to 2010 binge hiring, and handing out raises willy nilly and much more.

The bullseye belongs squarely on the Unions and Liberal party and no-one else.

For just 1 simple example….actually 2.
Reforming Pensions has been on the table for years.
/crickets
Hudak mentioned it and despite Ms Wynne doing it (just dragging her heels)...

Attrition.
Its a little late to allow attrition to do it's thing. They should have started some time ago, so that say over 3-4 years……...

Theres good management and brutal

[fishy steve]

Now I wonder if all "teachers" took a 1% to 3% haircut in salary if that might save 20 million. Or if the pensions….Or if, Or fi

not even so much the teachers, school boards are far too top heavy... too many cheifs not enough indians... go take a drive past a school board office... if you only knew the the catered suppers and meetings that go on in these places you would be sick...

[terrym]

Nobody is saying it isn't needed or strictly because of the Liberals. What we are saying is that the Conservatives were honest and said they would do exactly what the Liberals are doing now. They were called maniacs bent on destroying Ontario. Wynne campaigned with teacher funding and said she would balance the budget without anybody losing their jobs. You would think this group who like to look down on us mouth breathers would have been smart enough to add 2 and 2. The fact that they couldn't should concern anybody with children in the system.

[JBen]

Agree steve, thats why I quoted it

[fishy steve]

Because Steve, had they done a better job managing things to begin with….If they weren't beggars begging for cash and raiding our pockets.If they hadn't gone nuts from say 2004 to 2010 binge hiring, and handing out raises willy nilly and much more.

The bullseye belongs squarely on the Unions and Liberal party and no-one else

i work for a school board (not teaching or management... god help the person that calls me one of either lol) i wish i recieved those willy nilly raises you speak of... we havent seen a raise since 2008

believe me i dont agrea with the union either, they are trying to rile us up with strike talks, i flat out told our president, if we go on strike, you wont see me walking the picket line or back working here...

[terrym]

not even so much the teachers, school boards are far too top heavy... too many cheifs not enough indians... go take a drive past a school board office... if you only knew the the catered suppers and meetings that go on in these places you would be sick...

My wife used to be pretty involved with the school boards and yes I have been inside some of these board Taj MaHals. You are correct it isn't entirely the teachers at fault. The entire system needs to be reinvented. There is duplication of tasks all over Ontario and too many boards. The efficiencies and synergies are ignored mostly to appease unions. But hey, the Teachers Union has an enormous financial presence and consider campaign funding no different than any investment they make in the retirement portfolio. They expect a return on their investment and Wynne is on the hook for $ millions. The first thing she did when taking office was re open signed contracts and give them raises. She isn't totally stupid and knows exactly who she answers to.

[fishy steve]

still comes down to enrolment though... if the kids arent there, then the funding isnt there... heres a article from the local paper, about how 200 extra students helped nndsb's financial situation... only have around a $400K deficet this year... (probably what they spent on catering )

http://www.nugget.ca/2015/03/12/defi...dicted---nndsb

[fishy steve]

"School board trustees will be spending the next several weeks in budget meetings and workshops to whittle down the deficit."

all of which will be catered

[JBen]

See the "other" thread Steve. Over the years starting say around 2007, I have been branded everything from a PS hater to this and that. Many seem to forget I have teachers, EAs (including special needs) in my immediate family (nieces/aunts). I have LEO/EMS/AF (most the men, from father to uncles and now cousins and god father) in my immediate family. My entire family for all intents and purposes is or was PS.

Most of them, are caught in the middle, no-mans land in the direct line of fire from both sides.
Some few originally were very much its "just about me". Almost all today see things for what they are.

That said.
Since 2010 and after they released the Drummond report in 2011 (nicely timed for release just after the election where they sold cow patties about the true state of things, things I'd ringing alarm bells about, and Werner, Terry, and a few others for a couple years, and many (the public) gobbled it (the cow patties) up rather than looking around and seeing with their eyes) and McGuinty famously promised to hold the line. Then got into a fight with "teachers" that came very close to costing him the win (hence the gas plants panic and 1.2 billion to try and save 5 seats just weeks before V-DAY (vote day)……….

8 of 10 contracts that have come up, have received raises.


I get it, what it means/must be like and know its not all, everyone, every working stiff (just look at the MNR for one obvious example)…..

But if they hadn't blown the wad to begin with, with lucrative raises, mad hiring binges, just look at the insane growth (not the actual numbers) in the Sunshine List, and other things predating both the meltdown in 2008 and during the worst economic crises since 1929, and then blowing their brains out on top of the wad, making things worse. The needs to claw back, clamp down, in cases as usual make other people pay the prices…….

See Bob Rae and the 1990s and what happened when he blew the wad, showered the Unions with love. Then…….

Histroy is repeating itself and this time, it's worse (to begin with)